O sweet, there goes Santa's home.  Does he get climate refugee status?

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/arctic-melt-passes-the-point-of--no-return-1128197.html

Posted by bernwern

I know how much the majority here hates when i post these, but it appears that logic and reason are finally out-weighing the financial benefits of propagating fear over false gloabla warming.  Here's a link for you to chew on:

 

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2158072e-802a-23ad-45f0-274616db87e6

 

Have fun discussing....I will check back to view the carnage and flaming that ensues :)  There is always a few nuggets of information I can grab from the sheeple believing humans created climate change.

 

-B

I'm guessing the earths core slowing down might have something to do with the earths magnetic field finally switching again.  Perhaps we can witness it in our life time!  Oh no all the members of the AGW church might band together to try and stop this natural phenomenon cause they can't deal with the change of having to read a compass differently!  We are currently in the longest run of the same magnetic field, hence why we call this one the "Normal magnetic Polarity", but who knows what the "normal" way it all started is.  http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm

I have the same effect on global warming as I do on the lowering of the ocean level when I come out it from surfing.  Technically it is true that the little water droplets clinging to me that I take out lowers the sea level.  Just good luck fucking measuring that!

Posted by tooscoops

gas gets paid by my dealership... i loved when it was expensive.. it felt like i got paid more.  so that doesn't change.  my house bills for utilities is 50 a month... paying 30 for a cleaner fuel won't change how i feel.  even if its a free source (which it would never be), i still wouldn't feel the difference in my wallet.

 

you want the real way to FIX athsma?  i know of a way we can fix all diseases if you *really* want to look long term... get rid of all drugs, and go back to survival of the fittest.  then maybe we'll cure cancer, aids, and all other diseases.  those who carry the genes for any particualr disease won't pro-create and eventually these ailments will be weeded out of human existance.

 

theres your real life solution.  not exactally the solution people want though is it?  rather immoral and unethical to many.  hell.. i wouldn't exist due to my father dying instead of having two kidney transplants...

 

 

anywho, thats probably the best way to fix the planet too... it will make millions die off making the earth able to sustain itself.

 

i'm a fricken genius.

Posted by tooscoops

gas gets paid by my dealership... i loved when it was expensive.. it felt like i got paid more.  so that doesn't change.  my house bills for utilities is 50 a month... paying 30 for a cleaner fuel won't change how i feel.  even if its a free source (which it would never be), i still wouldn't feel the difference in my wallet.

 

you want the real way to FIX athsma?  i know of a way we can fix all diseases if you *really* want to look long term... get rid of all drugs, and go back to survival of the fittest.  then maybe we'll cure cancer, aids, and all other diseases.  those who carry the genes for any particualr disease won't pro-create and eventually these ailments will be weeded out of human existance.

 

theres your real life solution.  not exactally the solution people want though is it?  rather immoral and unethical to many.  hell.. i wouldn't exist due to my father dying instead of having two kidney transplants...

 

 

anywho, thats probably the best way to fix the planet too... it will make millions die off making the earth able to sustain itself.

 

i'm a fricken genius.

It would get rid of asthmatics born with it due to genetics, but not the ones developing it late in life due to added polution in the air.

which in turn will make it harder for them to live to be 70, 80, 90, even 100.  Which would eliminate these unnecessarily long life spans for people, that is the main cause for over population.

send old people to war instead of young people.

I don't think anyone is denying that it is happening on here.  Hell even those that say that man is doing it say that man is only helping speed it up.

I never will understand that, the whole thing about reducing "carbon footprints" is to slow down global warming.  All this energy to slow down something that is going to happen naturally anyways.  Typical attitude of people afraid of change with out thinking of the people of the future.  At some point with or without mans help the earths temperature is going to rise.  Shouldn't all this time, effort and resources be used to craft a plan and stock pile resources for those that will one day have to live through harder times that we cannot even imagine?  Nope lets just slow it down that way we don't have to think about those people of the future at all, just pass it on to someone else to worry about.

The earth's climate is definatly warming up (despite the foot of snowfall in Las Vegas haha) but we arn't playing as big of a role in it as everyone thinks. seriously, has the earth's climate not changed before? Ice age is a great example, there were no cars then. The vikings settled green land which means it was warmer then than now, did the Vikings use motorized boats? i certainly don't think so. Mars is also warming up, there are no humans there to affect the climate. The theory of global warming is being repeated so often that people are starting to think of it as a fact... no one knows exactly why the earth is warming up, although some people think they do cough al gore cough... and seriously how the hell did al gore win a nobel prize for a theory? it isn't even proven.

Posted by SpecialKalltheway
I don't think anyone is denying that it is happening on here.  Hell even those that say that man is doing it say that man is only helping speed it up.

I never will understand that, the whole thing about reducing "carbon footprints" is to slow down global warming.  All this energy to slow down something that is going to happen naturally anyways.  Typical attitude of people afraid of change with out thinking of the people of the future.  At some point with or without mans help the earths temperature is going to rise.  Shouldn't all this time, effort and resources be used to craft a plan and stock pile resources for those that will one day have to live through harder times that we cannot even imagine?  Nope lets just slow it down that way we don't have to think about those people of the future at all, just pass it on to someone else to worry about.

Posted by chuwbaka
The earth's climate is definatly warming up (despite the foot of snowfall in Las Vegas haha) but we arn't playing as big of a role in it as everyone thinks. seriously, has the earth's climate not changed before?

yes

Ice age is a great example, there were no cars then. The vikings settled green land which means it was warmer then than now, did the Vikings use motorized boats? i certainly don't think so. Mars is also warming up, there are no humans there to affect the climate.

I understand what you are trying to say, and its the blanket a lot of us like to cling to.  That the Earth has gone through cycles before, and this is one of them.  I would think so too, except that there is no frikkin way in hell that we can pump up billions of tons of CO2 that has been out of the natural cycle for millions of years, and expect it to have ZERO EFFECT, especially when we know (yes, its a fact) that its greenhouse gases like CO2 which insulate the Earth and trap heat. 

Earth works in balances, and due to natural change, it is constantly adjusting itself.  There are many, many things we don't know about. Take for example why this warm period since the last ice age has lasted unusually long.  Some say the Earth may have developed complex enough biologies that have stabilized the temperatures and hat not.  Personally, i have no clue.

But we are upsetting the balance (on a geological time scale, VERY QUICKLY), like a volcanic eruption. We are changing the composotion of the atmosphere, adding more insulating gases, like CO2 and methane. Science tells us that more insulating gases equals more warming.  Of course, its way more complex than that, but that is the jist.

So again, while people who dismiss AGW (human-caused global warming) as a hoax but admit that the world is warming, they have to explain why its warming, AND why the insulalting gases we are adding to the atmosphere are not having the warming effect that would be expected. AGW explains both of these, and until someone can show me an article that explains all this better than AGW, i will continue to side with the IPCC. 

The theory of global warming is being repeated so often that people are starting to think of it as a fact... no one knows exactly why the earth is warming up, although some people think they do cough al gore cough... and seriously how the hell did al gore win a nobel prize for a theory? it isn't even proven.

But its more plausible than saying we all our indusrty and pollution do have zero effect on the Earth.  Remembe, it was only 20 years ago we had to go through the same bullshit with CFCs and the ozone layer, people (industy mostly, and the proaganda they paid for) crying that humans were innocent because they didn't want to give up their fucking hairspray bottles.

didn't the original link provided basically claim the opposite of what you just said ult?... i'd say the cross section of scientists picked for each report was biased and that the authors were aware of it.

Has anyone ever taken into account the fact that the world goes through cycles?  Remember how we had Ice Ages?  Followed by a warming?  Then we go into a cooling again?  Granted pumping all that crap into the atmosphere can't be helping the cycle, but this may not be all our doing.  And this may be a stretch an a deviance from most logic.. but what about the fossils of fish on the sides of mountains?  Could it be that at one time we had not polar regions, just a lot of water?  I like water.  Let's give it a shot!

OMFG, yur a genius.  No one has brought up the cyclic thing until you.

Posted by anti-bling
OMFG, yur a genius.  No one has brought up the cyclic thing until you.

hahahahahahahahahaaaa

being mean is fun.

shit the fuckin bed.............no really i just did

YOU'RE ALL NUTS! AL GORE WOULDN'T LIE TO ME!
HE INVENTED THE INTERNET!
They called him honest al back in 'nam



But seriously, my response to this thread, find non-government or non-government funded scientists (more than one group of them, different groups to eliminate the variables) to conduct their own tests. Then instead of telling the media because it will end up miles from the truth, post the findings on an independent website, or newspaper (if there is such a thing as an independent, impartial newspaper). That my friends, is the only way you will get an accurate reading.

Because the crap factory which is the media wants everyone to be scared about it, and i believe the government can get something out of everyone being scared. Yes, I am a cynic.

i've also heard that hybrids are also not that great because they don't factor in the energy it takes to make one, which is quite a bit more than an average car. 

The fuel savings though are dependant on the price of oil, which is set to go up in the future, so while it currently may not be that economical, in the next year or two it may be.

Best bet though is to use public transportation and bicycle. 

Oh, anyone see they flick "My Own Two Feet" where a bunch of pros film all their non-mechanized trips into the BC?  Some crazy sick footage.