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tjc1
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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

Posted by ult
Life's to short for grudges folks...and hate makes you ugly and ill...Peace and love to all snow lovers! 
 
freaking hippie! lol
 
sounds like you had a great day man. rock on.
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paolosmythe
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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

quite simply this entire episode, from the years of prejudice to the claims of magnanimity when 'opening up the hill', is the single gayest thing i have ever heard of.
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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

Soooo, you would rather have them continue the ban?  Just curious.  I know I don't really plan on spending any of my hard earned money there anytime soon.  But still, at least they finally came around.  Though it was for monetary reasons, pretty much every area that has opened for snowboarding did it for that reason.  Hell Donner Ski Ranch would not still be around if it wasn't for snowboarding.  I commend ult for welcoming the change with a positive attitude. 
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paolosmythe
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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

Mr KC - i too find Ult's subservience praise worthy.  turn that other cheek and see decades of misdeeds spun into becoming something perceived as 'beneficial' as opposed to simply the decent thing to do.
 
i guess it would be fitting for negroes to thank the mighty white man for dispensing of all chains and shackles over more recent decades?
 
as said, this entire thing is fucked up.  if i wanted to ride Taos, i would have ridden it.  and if i had to hike it and if by doing so i got busted, then fucking-A.
 
but then if they were to turn around and make out like they were doing me a favour (as opposed to simply broadening their market sector to retain financial viability) i would tell them "fuck you" and go to their greatest competitor.
 
oh thank you lordy lordy!
 
gayest thing ever.  but maybe i am lucky being a european, where even the most fascistic french ski patroller has to begrudgingly tolerate my presence on his hill.
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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

Well my point being that resorts never did it because it was the decent thing to do.  They all allowed it because they needed more money.  The same reason Taos is allowing it now.

Comparing it to slavery, well I find that a bit far fetched.  Slaves were free people sold by their tribes in Africa into slavery.  Yeah, I guess some were born into it.  But for the most part rights were taken from them and so on.  Totally different scenario, and yes it offends on all sorts of levels.

Snowboarding was something created and had to gain acceptance.  Money being the driving factor.  I am not sure how it unraveled in the Euro scene.  Several areas allowed boarding as a last option before closing their doors.  Saved a lot of spots, and the money didn't go unnoticed by the big players.  A few decided to be asses about it longer than others.  Aspen, Alpine Meadows took a noticeably long time to allow riding at their mountains.  They acted much like Taos did.   By all means do not spend your money there, but at least Taos is moving in the right direction unlike three other areas...

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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

yeah granted, the slavery comparison was a clumsy one.
 
i guess in the simplest of terms, i resent the idea that we ought to celebrate being thrown a few crumbs from the skiers table.
 
fuck them and their hill.  who needs it?  they should've done what's right from the start, instead of cashing in on suggesting they've acted with generosity now.
 
i would have sooner seen this fan fare and big opening day come, without a single snowboarder showing up.
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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

I can go with that.
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paolosmythe
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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

I can understand the animosity towards Taos...believe me.
 
I've preached, bitched, heckled and argued for close to 20 years about it...on many, many levels. Far more then most will ever realize. Hell...I care so much about the issue of boarding at Taos. I flew close to 1,000 miles (?) just to be there for the emancipation day.
 
But you know what. In the end...we won. They had to come begging to us to save them. And if anything...it was great to rub it in their faces a bit....just by being there.
 
Adrianna was very gracious towards all the boarders there in the early morning. The staff/lifties/etc were VERY welcoming. They auctioned off the first 10 lift chairs to 40 people for a charity cause. Adrianna was gracious and understanding enough to give the guy that slept at the lift one of the spots on the very first chair. We were treated with class and respect...on many levels. The hill had a distinctly positive vibe all day...people we're glowing with the weight of hate lifted from their shoulders.
 
The simple fact is Taos is an incredible mountian...offering steeps that few others ski areas offer. The only thing you'd be doing by not going there now is hurting yourself and denying yourself the opportunity to ride at a special area.
 
Hold on to the animosity if you'd like...they certainly spewed, and supported, plenty of skier/boarder hate in their day...but that's (very thankfully) in the past now and you can either choose to move on, or wallow in the animosity and eventually develope an ulcer. If people don't want to forgive or give them any of their money...I can understand that...I just choose to forgive easier then others probably...and move on to a newer era.
 
While there I pretty much went looking for some haters...just to rub their noses in their, inevitable, 'loss'. I stood next to an older ski school instructor and essentially forced him to talk to me...you could tell it killed him to just be near a snowboarder....never mind talk to one. It was like pulling teeth to just get him to respond to me...which was my own way of claiming victory.
 
I generally wear mittens, rather then gloves, and I went by a group of ski patrollers (who are notoriously grump, hard line assholes there) and raised my hand in the air and said..."Guess how many fingers I'm holding up for Taos today? It used to be one...but now it's two..." And I'd whip my mitten off and show them the peace sign. Some smiled, others looked blankly at me.
 
I won't claim Taos deserves unconditional support or even forgiveness for thier past stances/marketing..but I will say that it's better to be the bigger man in the whole deal...claim the moral high ground and move on. Because at this point you're only hurting yourself. It is that good of a hill.
 
One of the more memorable experiences (From watching a cute young couple...one obviously a skier the other obviously a boarder walking hand in hand together to having the lifties cheer for me and other boarders on *every* lift ride up) was at the opening lift. As things got going and everyone was anxious and hyped...the chair started moving and the 60-100 or so boarders waiting all started pounding their decks on the snow...it was loud...very loud. You could see how some of the workers hadn't ever really ever experienced that noise and they looked confused, even scared. You could feel the snowboarder power and years of emotion in that echoing sound...it was incredible and was one of the things that made the whole trip worth while.
 
I generally heckle hippies...and bristle at being called one. That said...it's better to focus on the postive and the love rather then wallow in the negative and the hate. I fully understand that there is plenty of negative in this world that shouldn't be ignored, and should be battled..I'm not saying to be blindly accepting of everything. I am saying that we won and that should be celebrated. After many years of bringing the hate to Taos...it's time to let it go and bring the love.. It's time to mend the wounds and move forward. For the betterment of all. Boarders and skiers alike.
 
Call me a hippie if you'd like (and after re-reading this I can see why)...but, generally speaking, life is simply better if you're more love oriented then hate oriented.
 
The choice is yours to make.

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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

ult - don't get me wrong; sincerely i applaud your capacity to ratonalise this situation into seeing it being a once inaccessible resource for sideways fun, now being there for the taking.
 
i have never been to NM; i fess i am uncertain if i could find it on a map and i wouldn't exactly plan a snowboard trip to anywhere with the name mexico in it.  and so i couldn't be more removed from this situation and thus no emotion such as love or hate comes into this (not for me anyways).  how could i care so much?
 
maybe it is a spiteful trait, but i simply wouldn't wish to contribute to 'their cause'; be it financial security and prosperity, or rectifying a long standing personality flaw in the form of a ludicrouos prejudice.
 
i don't think they should get off so easily.  fine, have a raffle for lift tix with proceeds going to charity or where ever (yeah right) but the very VERY least they should've done is apologised and given out free passes for at least the weekend, to those they have proactively alienated for so long and now wish to exploit.
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Posted on Mar 20, 2008

Posted by paolosmythe
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i don't think they should get off so easily.  fine, have a raffle for lift tix with proceeds going to charity or where ever (yeah right) but the very VERY least they should've done is apologised and given out free passes for at least the weekend, to those they have proactively alienated for so long and now wish to exploit./snip
 
Now I find that funny and true.  Day 1 should have been a take it in the shorts free day for everyone.  As broke as they are (from reading between the lines) that may have pushed them over the edge.  I argued with locals over 10 yrs ago that it was going to come down to money as to why they'll allow snowboarding.  Of course they argued that it would never happen.  Guess what, it did happen.  I know they are going to lose some skiers who visited because no boarders were allowed.  That is going to be a small percentage compared to what they gained.  I might make it down before they close.  I got 3 free lift tix for that place, so pack a lunch and find a motel that is not resort owned.  I can ride their resort and not pay them a dime.
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Posted on Mar 21, 2008

I am in 100% agreement with Paolo on this one. I have read the shit these snobish psuedo wannabe elite have been saying on skitaos.com as well as other sites. To me, it shows a total lack of honor to get all giddy and convince yourself that they are wonderfull because they are gracing you with their fake acceptance.
 
This is the exact same reason I lost all respect for John McCain after he got drug through the fucking mud by the Bush campaign in 200 then like a kicked, pathetic puppy he licks his boots for love and affection. To me, that is what the snowboarders are doing when they run to Taos and say"oh thank you massa!" I find it pathetic and weak.
 
Sure they may be all smiles to your face but once your back is turned they are sticking you with daggers. You guys are being tools..here is what they have been and are still saying....
 
 
Yeah, I really want to help out their local economy....screw that. Maybe the folks over at White Sands could use a new nuclear test site.
 
 

[Edited by Snowolf on 3/20/2008 at 11:47 PM]

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Posted on Mar 21, 2008

You guys need to get over yourselves.
 
'lack of honor', 'subservience', 'rationalize'. Puh-leaze.
 
Phrase it any way you'd like. Just by putting it that way you're acknowledging that all those gapers from texass, who write all that stupid stuff on the skitaos site hold power over you. Get over your stiff back bone.
 
I've got news for you...they don't hold shit over me. They aren't the ones that 'allowed' me to buy a lift ticket there. Nor were they the ones that kept me from buying a lift ticket before. They're just clowns that ski twice a year on their one 5 day vacation to NM and think they know what they're talking about. I couldn't care less about them...they're obviously groomer riding idiots.
 
Yes...it would have been an incredible gesture (and even apology) to let boarders on for free on 3/18/8 - The Day Hell Froze Over...and I would have loved that. But in the end Taos is still a business that needs to make money. They originally bet on the ski only scene to run their biz (which in turn helped develope and nurture that idiot attitude from those clowns posting hate on skitaos)...and it obviously wasn't the best bet in the long run. Instead of selling out/being bought out by some corporate conglomerate...the FAMILY owned biz decided to change their *long* standing policy. This is a family who has many members who board...and I'm sure it took a lot of guts to finally do the right thing with so many old time/long time users feeding them the bull about not wanting boarders. Seems like they had to make the choice of losing the family biz or going against the long time haters, and their own marketing and finally opening up. I support the choice they made. I've argued long and hard to 'free' taos (close to 20 years) and I've heard it all...but I've always supported them as a family owned biz...that's, sadly, increasingly rare at ski areas. I'd rather buy a ticket from a family owned biz then some anonymous corporate entity bent on increasing profit share through condo sales who don't give a f*ck about the riding experience. Say what you want about Taos...and I have...but they always have been more about the experience then the condo sales.
 
The emancipation day was an incredible display of boarder (and snow lover) power and unity. I was probably the 7th person to the top of the lift served mountian...and then I immediately hiked to the top of Kachina Peak...a short hour of huffing at 12K feet, with maybe a 800 ft or so climb. I was the second snowboard to arrive (some guy from Santa Fe, used to the altitude, beat me by 100 yards...f*cker)...we hung around as others came up and eventually three skiers came up high fiving everyone and offered up shots of tequilla from their hollow ski pole flask. An older boarder arrived who had lived in Taos for 30 years...and had made the trip up Kachina peak to enjoy the sunset/sunrise often...but never from the lifts.  Another local skier was there who recognized him and they hugged on top saying how good it was to finally take the lift up together. A little while later...some older skier hiked up...went the extra 25 yards to the top just to say "Yeah snowboarders! Welcome!!! Great to see you hear!" and then hiked off for his run. As he left someone said..."You know who that was..." "He used to the govenor of NM..."
The day was filled with moments like that...lot's of support and love. I rode one chair with a father and son ski pair...dad had been skiing at Taos for 30 years and he was psyched boarders were finally being allowed. He was really proud of how his 11 yr old (?) son had just skied a pretty sick chute, top to bottom, and had beaten him down it. I congratulated the kid and told him to keep kicking his dad's butt as we got off the chair. Dad just smiled a genuine smile and sincerly said "Have a great day today...welcome!" 
 
So again...you can hold on to the hate and acknowledge the power that those Texass clowns are trying to exert over you (and essentially be just like them, only opposite)...or you can move on, be a better person then them, and leave them in the dust of history...where they belong.
 
Move on from the past to a better future. Taos is trying to.
 
To quote a famous short guy (and now be called a hippie AND a stars wars dweeb...which I'm neither):
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
 
I choose a different path.
 
(And Snowolf...Don't forget how McCain kissed ass at Bob Jones U. as well. He's a tool.)

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Posted on Mar 21, 2008

I won't be makin' it to Taos anytime soon, but that's only because I don't live all that close. But I'd rock it if I was down there. So what, some deusch bags talk shit about snowboarders, and the resort kept is ski only for a long time. It's not any more... and in 5 or 10 years, those who liked it ski only will all be gone. Have fun rockin' Taos.

ULT - That hike sounded pretty cool. Have any pics?

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Posted on Mar 21, 2008

sorry to invade but I figured someo of you would like these videos:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=K283Q7i2OYM

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Posted on Mar 21, 2008

^^^I was hopin' to see some people throwin' down... would have made the news stories a lot better to see somebody rock out a corked 540, or somethin' like that.

Looked crowded!!
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Posted on Mar 21, 2008

KOAT in the evening news had old what's her name Blake and she said it was the best day they've had in a long, long time.  Probably ever if the truth were known.  I noticed a never summer tent in one of the news reports.  I bet the locals were wondering what that was, they probably went in expecting one of those purple mixed drinks with the mint leaf in it.  I had seen the video with the bar owner blowing taps, my thoughts were the guy was quite the oppurtunist and saw a chance to to sell a few extra beers or martinis as it probably was, beers started the 19th.


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Posted on Mar 21, 2008



Ult, you're a good man.
Lots of quotable quotes out of your text on this page, but these are some powerful words.


Posted by ult

The hill had a distinctly positive vibe all day...people we're glowing with the weight of hate lifted from their shoulders.
 


Proud to have you representing us. I would have gone but this is my busy season for work.
Rock on brother.



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Posted on Mar 22, 2008

Posted by ult
You guys need to get over yourselves.
 
So again...you can hold on to the hate and acknowledge the power that those Texass clowns are trying to exert over you (and essentially be just like them, only opposite)...or you can move on, be a better person then them, and leave them in the dust of history...where they belong.
 
Move on from the past to a better future. Taos is trying to.
 
To quote a famous short guy (and now be called a hippie AND a stars wars dweeb...which I'm neither):
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
 
I choose a different path.
 
(And Snowolf...Don't forget how McCain kissed ass at Bob Jones U. as well. He's a tool.)
 
No hate here really, I am just saying that I personally see no need to patronize a place that has the attitudes demonstrated. Sure some are gapers and some texans are fine, so why the texas hate....hmmmmm? (sarc)
 
I guess the reason I feel the way I do is because there is no reason for any resort to have held this attitude past the year 2000. In the begining of snowboarding there were legitimate safety concerns like no metal edges and rubber straps for bindings etc. Bu by 2000 (before that actually) all of these concerns were nonsensical due to manufacturing and engineering of board technology. So any resort that held on to this attitude into 2007 in my book is not somewhere I want to choose to spend my hard earned money when I have`nt gotten to ride places like Jackson Hole or Mamoth or Brighton etc. It is not hate for somone to say they buy Ford because they like them better than Chevy; same applies here; those people are free to have their attitude and I am free tto go elswhere. Seriously, it is not something that hurts me in any way. I feel no great loss because I did`ndt jump on a plane and be at Taos opening day especially when I was waist deep in powder on Mt. Hood with skier and rider alike without this attitude.
 
Also, I think there is way more to it than a few gaper Texans...I have friends and family in New Mexico (Alb mainly) and when I lived in Phoenix, I actually worked for Giant refining out of Bloomfield and drove tanker into New Mexico evey other day. The feeling I get from everyone in New Mexico I talk to is that the people in Taos really think they are God`s gift to the world and that sunshine exits from their rectums. Most of the rest of New Mexico feels the same as I do about that place.
 
Oh....you are so right about that senile old fuck...what a tool he is....Obama 08!!!!!!

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Posted on Mar 22, 2008

Posted by slimp_dawg

Looked crowded!!
 
Yeah....I will stick with Mt. Hood, Alyeska and Mt. Baker!!!!
 
I had to laugh at the comment about it having the "steepest terrain in North America" What a joke....this guy obviously has`nt dropped Chute 225 in Heather Canyon at Mt. Hood Meadows and he definitely has`nt dropped Christmas Chute at Alyeska...

[Edited by Snowolf on 3/22/2008 at 1:17 AM]

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Posted by olerubbertoe

KOAT in the evening news had old what's her name Blake and she said it was the best day they've had in a long, long time.  Probably ever if the truth were known.  I noticed a never summer tent in one of the news reports.  I bet the locals were wondering what that was, they probably went in expecting one of those purple mixed drinks with the mint leaf in it.  I had seen the video with the bar owner blowing taps, my thoughts were the guy was quite the oppurtunist and saw a chance to to sell a few extra beers or martinis as it probably was, beers started the 19th.

Gags the Rockies rep was there in force with the NS guys letting people ride the new proto types.  www.snowboard-mag.com has a story on it.
 
Best part was Gags was handing out peace flowers to the skiers.
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Posted on Mar 22, 2008

Posted by elsnowboardo
Best part was Gags was handing out peace flowers to the skiers.
 
I talked to that guy a bit...he was cool. Not to mention his Sa-Weet, yellow one piece. I chatted with him about the NS split boards and then bought him a PBR for handing out peace flowers in the morning...to riders, skiers and staff. It was cool. I rode with a flower, white rose, in my goggle strap all day. Got more "nice flower!" comments then "Nice outfit!" comments (About 10 to 2 I think) But that's cause I think folks down there still wear gaper suits and see them all the time so they thought I was just in my 'regular' clothes.
 
I'll have pictures up in a week or so...I'm heading to the woods for 5 days and then an Ultimate Tournament and wont be online for a week or so.
 
I'm not saying folks aren't free to choose what ever resort they want to patronize...I'm just saying that Taos is epic and deservers going to. It is very steep....consistantly...not just in spots. Very impressive place.

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Posted on Mar 26, 2008

Ult! sorry I missed ya buddy, apologies. Work sucks...period
I've read the posts here, and feel that Ult showed incredible class and wit. Nothing is better than saying fuck you and have a beautiful day simultaneously, if I got this wrong please correct me. None the less, I respect your philosophy.

Anyhow, I finally freakin got up to Taos last Friday, got hooked up with a free ticket which helped reduce my revenge-o-meter. We chilled on the side of Al's for bit watching people skid on the icy moguls at one point, shootin the shit and such. Then some guy had to run his mouth off from the lift, so us being typical New Mexicans, waited for his ass, as the Texas Longhorn beanie gave him away. He eventually showed up, we had a liftie hold him up and joined him for a chair ride. Nuff said. Probably could have used some of Ult's philosophy there, I confess that I still have some old ways about me.

Outside of that incident, it was all gravy! We hit a lot of chutes, and the ridge is just so perty I had to get up there. Also had to make peace with the mountain, you guys know what I mean

It doesn't happen every day we gain new terrain, quality stuff too, so for this I am stoked. Its one less exclusive resort out there, next up River Men Glad, Beer Valley or Alta? I'm in favor Glad River Men, because Utah has those weird alcohol laws.

peace all.

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Posted on Mar 26, 2008

Nice write up dude.  Taos is definitely the main attraction for New Mexico riding.  Everything else looks so so to me.  Maybe I am wrong, but Taos looks leaps and bounds above the rest. 

As far as who is next.

My money is on Deer Valley.  In fact, judging by their attitude in the poaching video, I think they have already set a time frame for when it's going to happen.  Don't be surprised. Deer Valley also sucks.

Alta and MRG, are going to be long time hold outs without a doubt.

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Posted on Mar 31, 2008

Good write up satan...sounds like you had a good time up there....way to set that texan straight too...accepting is one thing...but taking shit is another.
Great terrain...for sure...the place has some riding options that most other resorts...and especially NM resorts simply don't have.
 
Hoped you hiked Kachina Peak as well, Louis...more nice views there as well.
 
I just got back from my yurt trip and an ultimate tourney...so I'm a bit fried...but I'll get some pictures of Taos and my day up in a few days... 

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