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floppsyjackson

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Posted on Jun 14, 2007

Great informed advice although I strongly disagree with point 3
Sorry for being a penicat, for the rest big up yourself
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shayboarder
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Posted on Jun 14, 2007

Posted by floppsyjackson
Great informed advice although I strongly disagree with point 3
Sorry for being a penicat, for the rest big up yourself
 
Care to explain why you strongly disagree with point 3?
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floppsyjackson

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Posted on Jun 18, 2007

Ok if your toes touch the end of a boot when your standing still this isn't a problem. However image riding all day a was is a slight bit of pressure can become a large amount of pain. Freeriders aswell as freestylers will have to be extra carefull. kicking in footprints on steeps forces your feet further forward in your boots. Although now alot has been improved to keep your feet in the same position in your boots and some peoples personal preference is to have close fitting boots- snowboarding boots should not be fitted in the same way as climbing shoes as it could cause great damage to ones feet. My advice would on a good fit is that you should be able to wiggle your toes comfortably. Your heel should not be able be free to move around. The boot should holding, without hurting or restricting movement.
Don't be suprised if you are one size in one companies boot and a different size in another as peoples feet are all very different and so are companies ideas about sizing.
 
Perhaps Strongly should have been slightly
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pooboarder

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Posted on Jun 18, 2007

floppsy, you make a good point about variation amonst manufacturers. I have found this to be true in a few cases. So, yeah, you have to be careful when you go into a snowboard shop and just ask for a 7.5 id you have a size 8. Your best bet is to try the 7 the 7.5 and the 8. Try em all until it is right.

I think point three is pretty accurate though for the most part. Granted, it depends what the author means by touching. Generally, if the toes is grazing--not pushing--the end of the boot it is a safe bet. A little bit of pressure will probably break in. A perfect comfy fit in the shop will almost certainly spell disaster.

Really the only cases when you should be very carful is when you are trying on a boot like the F-Series from Salomon. A couple of my buddies ran these boots all season and the toe box never packed out as much as other boots. Obviously they shouldn't because the liner is fused into the shell in the toe box.


elsnowboardo
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Posted on Jun 18, 2007

You want your toe doing this -| Not doing this /\| 
 
Basically you want the tip just touching it and remember to cut your toe nails thats the leading cause of problems in fit and people don't realize it.  My customers laugh when I recommend clipping their nails before putting on a new boot.  If the toes curling you are in the wrong sized boot all together.
 
Remember to size to that smaller foot (unless you have like club foot or something) too because the liners will pack out taking into account that it can be anywhere from 1/3rd to 1/2 of a size. 
 
Any space in the toes that lets the foot slip forward will allow for toe bang.  This is when your foot slips forward and hits the end of it, not fun digging a toe nail out of your foot because its all screwed up.  Solid heel hold is also key for support. 
 
Wide, Narrow, Normal feet there's a boot out there for everyone unless you're like a size 27 US.  Try on every pair possible.
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snowluvva

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Posted on Jun 19, 2007

a couple more things about buying boots from my rambling experiences...

some companies have softer liners than others (eg northwave) and these are likely to pack out more than those co's that use a dense liner. these softer co's boots feel insanely comfy when you try them on but pack out really fast. I have always worn northwave kj's which are awesome for me but pack out really fast, and then you need to get creative about how to fill out the space this makes. you can buy flat insoles that you can put between the liner and shell which helps. also pulling your liner out and putting it on first, then putting it into the outer helps heaps to get your boots fitting better each time.

a more dense rubber style liner will pack out less and you can buy a more normal size without having as much pack out. also these denser liners tend to be a bit stiffer, and are generally better for freeride, while the softer boots tend to be better for freestyle/park etc.

if you have lots of probs with liners packing out, you can do what i am thinking of this season and get a custom liner to go into your boot...the closer your fit of your boot the better your response will be, any slop means a delay in response...

also socks can make a huge difference...quality socks that are shaped and fitted in the right spots are soooo good to ride in, compared to long hiking type socks, which suck in comparison. there are some brands around that wont cost $40 (aus) like burtons etc...

only other comment is that boots wont pack out much at all walking around the house, but when you ride in them, your feet heat up, and move heaps in every direction and this is when the packing out happens...also footbeds that are too high can be a problem if they lift your feet too much, as this can put your foot in a place that limits the heel hold of the boot...

anyway..blah blah, hope that adds a bit more...

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floppsyjackson

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Posted on Jun 19, 2007

Much luvva,
                  Adds alot more to the mix. Thats why northwave fit like slippers but if you ride mucha mucha they'll become like wellies. Custom liners are a good step forward in the packing out stakes but only account for a very small percentage of the actuall fit of the boot so it won't turn something oh so wrong into oh so nice.
 
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Mandingo15

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Posted on Jun 19, 2007

Posted by pooboarder
Really the only cases when you should be very carful is when you are trying on a boot like the F-Series from Salomon. A couple of my buddies ran these boots all season and the toe box never packed out as much as other boots. Obviously they shouldn't because the liner is fused into the shell in the toe box.

 
Now that makes sense to me, because it takes out the hit or miss factor when buying boots. <-The packing out factor.... Cut those toe nails, mine are nasty lol, and try on your size, smaller and bigger before you decide. A 7.5 foot isnt always a 7.5. <-Somehow that has to make sense.
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JJ_Mac

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Posted on Sep 11, 2007

I am buying my second pair of boots next season and have one question. What stiffness is best for what riding style? Generally, I am hearing soft for park/pipe, stiff for all mountain. Is this true? Also, how should each stiffness feel in the boot? Should it flex or twist a certain way or will it be something I have to just research and ask around for?
 
 
One point on toes and sizing, whenever I buy anything that has to fit tight (hockey skates, skate shoes i actually skate in, combat boots, etc) I like to be able to cross my big toe and second toe. That leaves space to wiggle em to warm em up, space to breathe, and it is generally more comfy.
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cazza21

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Posted on Oct 07, 2007

i just wanted to say that this thread is fabulous.. i went in to get some new boots this weekend, and the guy was highly impressed at my "knowledge''... and that I had cut my toenails and wore my boarding socks! tehehe!
 
breaking in my new pair right now! thanks guys and gals!
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thatboy

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Posted on Oct 10, 2007

great advice

but form my 8 year experiance:
1. every boot packs diferently on difrent feet.

2. be very careful about the sizes: i wear 10,5 shoes and 10,5 boots (northwave) and they ware ok , when i bought 32 lashed size 10 i thought they will pack but they didn't

theurgy

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Posted on Dec 27, 2007

Posted by Jaemankim
6. When you go to the store to try on your boots, take your snowboard socks with you. The cotton socks you wear with your shoes are thinner than the snowboard socks you will be wearing while on the slopes, and it WILL affect the boot size you buy.

7. Once you buy the boot, I would suggest wearing them around the house. This will help break them in. As for heat molding, I really don't know much about it. If anyone has any input for this, that would be great.

[Edited by Jaemankim on 1/10/2007 at 6:09 PM]


I've always worn regular cotton socks for boarding, I find if I wear thicker socks or wool socks my feet tend to sweat and then eventually get cold from that.

As for heat moulding, what I've done in the past is the following:
-Wear thick socks (for now)
-Place hair dryer (not a heatgun... don't laugh) into the boot, cover the boot opening with a towel to direct the air in the boot if you have to, and leave there for about 1-2 minutes or until you can feel the leather or inside material getting very warm to the touch (like clothes dryer warm).
-Put on your boots quickly and lace them as tight as you can....
-Walk around for about 10 minutes around the house.. jump up and down as well (not for any technical reasons... just cause it's FUN!)
-Take the boots off and repeat this procedure two more times.

I've found this works quite well in breaking in a new pair of boots.


treatmentkid137

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Posted on Jan 06, 2008

I'm still riding my first pair of boots and I feel its time to upgrade. Originally I was just gonna buy online but now I see thats a mistake. My boots right now leave my feet hurting after one run. I was looking at something from thirty two. I don't want to buy in any extreme direction. I want to be able to hit both park and downhill with the same boot. Theres not alot of good board shops near me, I may look around when I hit up Bear Valley in a couple weeknds. Thanks for the advice Jaemankim

primetangent

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Posted on Jan 11, 2008

Should your heel move a little bit when you do manuals and jumps?


[Edited by primetangent on 1/11/2008 at 2:34 PM]

maggie_magz235

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Posted on Jan 11, 2008

Thanks buddy! :D

rvoss1

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Posted on Jan 15, 2008

 

I thought I’d throw in my $0.02.

 

I went through about 5-6 pairs of boots over the years to finally find a pair that were comfortable on my feet for more than a few times out.

 

So, after 2 seasons of foot bliss (well, foot non-torture anyways), my Burton Ions started to really pack out this year. I got some of the Dr Scholl’s inserts. Yep, the gels. I put them between the liner and the insole, and my feet were happy again. Yes, I’m gellin. Not only do my feet fit again, but the boots are actually more comfortable than they were before they packed out. 

 

Popping a few pain relievers throughout the day (ibuprofen) seems to help also.


cenik

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Posted on Mar 13, 2008

Thanks to everybody for all the suggestions. I've picked up my board and bindings (Arnie 5000 + Union Forces) and on Sat morning I'll finally be getting my boots. From there, if all works out as is planned, I'll be on the hills in the afternoon :)

ellegrlboarder1

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Posted on Mar 24, 2008

wow, yeah thanks.  this isn't my first time buying boots, but i didn't realize that boots "packed out" so when i started complaining about my boots feeling like they were bigger than they used to be, everyone thought i was crazy and tried to convince me that i didn't really need new boots.  so i just kept getting blisters on my feet. 

Dumb_Name

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Posted on Apr 19, 2008

word to jaja
 
Choosing a Boot
Evaluate Yourself
a. How often do I ride? Once in a while? Weekend Warrior? or Every F***in' day? If you're not going that often, you don't need to spend a lot, unless you're a doctor, lawyer, or drug dealer who wants to look like you belong in a boot ad. If you're riding a lot, you'll definitely appreciate a better boot with nicer features.
b. What type of riding will I be doing? Bunny hill technician, eurocarver, pow slasher, park rat, etc. Depending on different types of riding you may want a boot with a specific flex. One you pin this down, this will help narrow the field.
c. Is it true what they say about having big feet? Yes, there are plenty of boots out there that have a reduced footprint. Wide boards suck, so if you can get into a boot that has a reduced footprint, you may be able to avoid strapping into a door.
d. So easy a caveman can do it. Lacing your boots is now easier than ever. Every company has some sort of speed lacing system. Is it something you want or can do without? No matter what type of lace you break, (standard, boa cable, speed zone, etc.) if you don't have a replacement you're out of luck, so stop being skeptical.


Sizing
Just because your girl likes it big, doesn't mean your feet will
a. Sneaker size != Boot size. The majority of people out there wear their kicks larger than their actual foot size, so don't base your boot size on what size sneakers you wear. Get sized up at a shop or shoe store. Dress shoe sizing will be much more accurate than sneaker sizing. For the love of god, don't get sized right after soccer practice, karate, or anything else that will make your sh** smell worse than the inside of an assh***. Shop kids will appreciate it.
b. Mondo what? Mondopoint is a centimeter measurement of your foot. If you passed first grade math, you can figure out how to convert from US to MP. i.e. 29.0 MP = 2 + 9 = 11 US Conversions tend to skew at the higher end of the range because both measure differently. You really don't need to know this unless you're shopping for a Salomon boot or ski boot.
c. Arch Length. In terms of length, there are two measurements for your feet. Overall length and Arch Length. If one is longer than the other start with the size inbetween and go from there.
d. Barney Rubble feet? Certain boots run wider than others. That's why it's important to find a boot that accomodates the width of your feet.


Fit
Don't be a boot pus**
a. Length. Standing straight you want your toes to be right at the end of the boot. You don't want your toes crammed or curled. Just there. You'll know what feels right. All boots have some sort of foward lean built in. Standing straight your foot is getting pushed foward. Boots are meant to fit correctly in the athletic position (knees slightly bent). As you flex foward in the boot you should feel your toes back off from the end of the boot.
b. Width. Generally you want it to fit snug all over. Pressure points are bad.
c. Support. You want to make sure that your ankle is properly support. You want minimal to zero heel lift as your flexing the boot. Keep in mind, your binding is another source for ankle support.
d. Break In. Keep in mind that you're buying your boots for the fit you're going to get AFTER the boot has broken in completely. If your boots fit like you're throwing a hot dog down a hallway, you're going to have problems down the line. Make sure they're snug now because they only get looser... like your first girlfriend.


Heat Molding
Set it and forget it
a. Like warm apple pie. It'll feel great granted your boots are heat moldable in the first place. Make sure your liners are heatable before you do it.
b. It works on my hair, will it work on my boots? If you heat too low, it won't do anything. If you heat too high, the foam will harden. Use the machine that was intended to heat mold your boots and not the sh** you find in your sister's bedroom. Certain liners require specific temperatures in order to mold.
c. Caps. If it's still tight in the toe box, use toecaps when you're getting your boots heated. Put them on your bare feet then put your sock over it. This will take up extra volume around your toes and as the boot cools, you'll have that much extra space in the toe box.
d. Ding Fries are Done! Once it's done, you're not out of the woods yet. Your boot will still break in a little bit more. Heating your boots definitely helps give you more of a custom fit. It will also help alleviate pressure points, if any.


Footbeds
Cradle your feet, not your balls
a. 10 out of 10 pros should agree! They're worth it. Ask anybody. Period. Less fatigue, less cramping, more support. What's not to like?
b. Pronation... is that the position I put my girl in last night? It's when you put pressure on your foot and your ankle rolls inward causing your forefoot to spread. Supporting your heel with a better footbed will help alleviate this. Supporting your foot more will usually help lessen pressure on your larger toes and sixth toe area (side of pinky toe).
c. Sizing? Stand on them and match the arch of your foot to the arch of the footbed. If the footbed is larger than the stock, trim it to fit.
d. Work the system. Getting an orthotic made by a podiatrist is definitely the best thing you can get. If you're lucky, you can get your insurance to pay for it. Otherwise, check out your local shred shop or ski shop. You'll usually be able to find them there for a little over a hundred. If you're going to a place that specializes in boot fitting (surefoot, etc.) they'll charge you a couple hundred. If you just spent all your cash buying your new shred setup, even a cheaper $30+ footbed will be better than a stock insole.

murray_p

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Posted on Mar 09, 2009

when you find a boot that you like try on 5 or 6 pairs of the same boot, sometimes liners feel different or shells feel different so this way you can get the liners that fit best and the shells that fit best, mix and match from the same style and you will get better results and a better fit.


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