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boarderaholic
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Posted on Oct 23, 2006

Ahahahaha. Of everything we talk about in here, we forget the most important point, SCOPE OUT THE FEATURE BEFORE YOU HIT IT! Thanks for that reminder Scotty!
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Posted on Oct 25, 2006

Yeah, good point that.

Other good point to make: a helmet, back protector and ass pads are things I'd never hit the park without. 3 People at our school broke their backs last season, another 2 broke their cocycx'. A lot of people say a helmets only good for rails but it's always easy to forget that hitting your head from any height at all on ice or hard pack is going to hurt.

The instructor that mentioned the the 360 flat spins is right, that's another excellent trick to use to build confidence, and is something that we always taught before switch as it gives you the idea of edging to and from both directions. Only thing is, if you're going to do it, make sure it's only for that... edge control and balance. Shouldn't be forced round and shouldn't be done with upper body rotation.

Not long till all this crazy advice can be tried out though guys, winter's just around the corner.


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Posted on Oct 31, 2006

begin with boxes or with flat, wide rails, theyre fairly easy to do. im more into freeride but when i go to the park i do these and i didnt even take an hour of practice to land em, you just have to keep a slow/medium speed and to stay straight
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kidRiot

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Posted on Nov 02, 2006

Question about tail/nose press, i try to do them, but it feels like my board wont "bend" as i see others.

Airstoke_com

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Posted on Nov 02, 2006

Great Thread;

One thing though, sure, good snowboarding takes a bit of discipline, but when you're free-riding, that's the thing, FREEDOM, free-ride, have a wild and fun time!  So I guess it all depends on the session, whether you're training, or free-riding and just kicking it.
 
So yeah, if you're just kicking it, which is my favorite style of boarding, just, being yourself; well, that's what's magic to me.  Yes, you DO have to have a bag of tricks in order to pull some cool sh*t off; but you've heard the phrase "necessity is the mother of all invention."  Some riders do some amazing things when it's absolutely NECESSARY, and you watch them, and their interpretation of a solution in a particular moment is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!  You sit there in awe and go; NOW WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT!!  It's so badass...  And that's one reason why I love this sport.  UNIQUE SPONTANEOUS GENIUS IN FREESTYLE SESSIONS!  That's where it's at for me.  Don't overanalyze it!  Calculate the odds, push yourself, but not TOO TOO FAR, but BUST IT OUT, GO FOR IT!  Be a WILD MAN and you'll date the WILD WOMEN; awwyeah...
 
The other thing is, some people simply have a PROPENSITY toward certain tricks.  Like my regular-footed friend, he can pull front flips like NOTHING DOING!  But can't pull a back flip to save his life.  Whereas, I don't much enjoy front flips, but can pull backflips like no problem.
 
Anyways, I just thought I'd cash in a couple pennies on this one; I fricking dig airs.

kidRiot

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Posted on Nov 02, 2006

Yeah my Option is pretty stiff to butter, i should probably move the bindings an inch or two further apart.

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Posted on Nov 02, 2006

Posted by kidRiot
Yeah my Option is pretty stiff to butter, i should probably move the bindings an inch or two further apart.


Good move by the mod that kept this topic on top.

RaiderMan

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Posted on Nov 02, 2006

I was going totry and give you some advice but  what I wanted to say has been said a few times now, so all I can tell you is be careful, push yourself, but dont take it to far, as a couple people have said SCOPE OUT THE PARK know what your getting your self into, for example, one time I was getting a little ahead of my self in the park, and well lets say I didnt scope it out, and i ended up on my ass at the bottom of one hell of a kicker, so the best advice, I think would be to know your stuff, ride smart, and most of all have a good time, because with out that what would we be doing?!


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Posted on Nov 04, 2006

i dont know if this is already said, i didnt read the whole post but before you hit up the park on every ski hill, there is a section where 2 trails merge, usually ones a steeper incline than the others, this means youll have a small lip, alot of the times its fun to launch off of, 360s and even 540 are possible, get the feeling of air down, its not smart to start off on a 55 foot booter. youll have fun goin across the lil lips, always give right of way to skiers when crossin over like that tho, dangerous on a busy day. and the last advise i can give, when in the park. when you hit a jump youll weanna take it slow, i learned the hard way with this, i hit a 30 or so foot stepup, and by the time i hit the lip i had lost half my speed, i smashed off the knuckle and had to take a lil break. speed is key, usually you have to hit stuff faster than you think, overjumping is not fun but pick a jump with a long ass landing, itll be easier and you can go faster, avoid hitting the knuckle and casing, its the worst feeling to get a knee in the face. Good luck and have fun, but be safe. peace
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bloodredbliz...

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Posted on Nov 04, 2006

yeah well I probably was one of those kids that most of you hate. I went into the park not really having all the skills mentioned. I can ollie and nollie (not uber high but good enough) tail and nose presses are kinda sketchy and buters forget it. Riding switch is apain though and kicks my butt on a regular basis. I try to lean forward but always seem to over turn and end up regular again. anyone who has advice on that would be appreciated.
 
anyways I love getting air, suprisingly despite my lack of skill I've landed fair sized jumps without too many problems (30 ft step-up was the highest I think, that was a bit tricky). However I'm gonna really focus on getting the basic skills down before park riding this year. The parks around me usually don't open until mid-december anyways.
 
so yeah the point is that I have a tendency to go over my head (I know it's wrong and people probably want to beat me down) but I bought an agent this year and some serious progression will be occuring. And just to echo everyone else, great thread, keep it up guys!
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_Matija_

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Posted on Nov 05, 2006

I am also new to freestyle riding. I have been riding freeride for 5 years now but new to park. I am preety much ok with basics but sure I will pratice more to go as close to perfect as I am able to.

I have read some nice tips on practiceing your balance for rails and boxes and balance alone.. You will sure need it. And you dont really need any snow for it.

Here are the pictures :
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The idea is simple. You keep rolling on the round piece of wood standing on your fake board in your stance and try too keep the board in air not leting it touch the groud. Its good to pratice how would it be going on the rail 50/50 and with all your weight on left or right leg.

I can post a video if someone doesnt get it still.

[Edited by _Matija_ on 11/5/2006 at 10:06 AM]
[Edited by _Matija_ on 11/5/2006 at 10:09 AM]

brIan_p15

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Posted on Nov 05, 2006

I have to disagree with you Bleezie, and others.  Last year I started to hit hte jumps and hit all of them at the mt. except 1.  I was always nervous to hit a new jump, or even rails especially.  never hurt myself but its all mental.  Sometimes  you just gotta say "fuck it" and go for it.  If you go into it with a half ass attitude, your more likely to screw up and hurt yourself, then saying to yourelf that your goina stick it.  Thats how I do everything, n Idont care what others say or think
 

RaiderMan

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Posted on Nov 08, 2006

ok... well then thats you, whos to say some of these fresh freestylers are like that? I think its best always to scope out the park, of course go in with a "Im gunna stick this" attitude, no doubt, but make sure you know what your doing first, dont go hit a 6 foot high, and 3 foot long kicker (Ive seen this done... tryed to talk him out of it lol) the kid down the block built with a flat land landing... If you do that you got some pain in your later years, so basically know what your doing first, scope out the jump/landing and then hell yes go in with a "im gunna stick this" attitude

Ben_S

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Posted on Nov 12, 2006

It's a fair point that if you hit something without properly committing then 90% of the time you are going to get spanked. The other 10% is just pure luck. The only thing that I'd say is that having mastered all the skill sets that have been mentioned anyone trying a new trick or a new jump is going to be 100 times more confident. This means that they'll be more likely to commit and more likely to stomp the trick/jump. Same goes for going from something relatively easy to something much harder. It's a big change and it means that you're less likely to commit and, as a result, more likely to get spanked. If you progress in easy stages (including mastering a wide level of tricks on a small jump) before moving up then you're going to be more confident and, as a result, safer and less likely to hurt yourself.

xbeaus

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Posted on Nov 14, 2006

Posted by boarderaholic
Learn how to ride switch competently. I already did a brief explantion on how to do a tail press. The same concept applies to the nose press. If you can nollie, then ollying should be easier. It's the same concept, exept off your tail (duh). Once you know how to ollie, nollie, etc etc, learn how to do basic tricks on flat ground, etc etc, like 180's and stuff. Once you have those down, I think you should be golden to enter the park. Instructors, please feel free to add or correct me.
 
I agree.   Riding switch is the basic for most freestyle tricks.  If you can't ride switch you better practice, practice, practice.  Before you think about hitting a rail you should go up to the rail first and look where you want to go and place your board on the rail and "feel" where your going to have to hit it.  Don't go to fast as you'll wreck your balls on a rail if you slide off.  start small, go big.   As far as jumping goes hitting rollers are your best bet for practice or smaller jumps with a good landing.    You say you skateboard so you are one up on people who don't.  The tricks are easier because your feet are planted on the board.  As boarderaholic says once you get the basics of ollie/nollie/180 then you can try different tricks.    When your jumping practice doing simple grabs in the air and you will learn how to suck your board in the air.   360s are trickier than a 180 and I don't know if everyone does this but when I'm doing a 360 I start at the end of the jump and continue to look over your shoulder and twist your body, your lower half will follow and give yourself enough airtime or you will smash your balls again.   

boarderaholic
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Posted on Nov 14, 2006

Dude, this is a thread about BASICS. Things like ollies...nollies...NOT how to launch yourself off of jumps!
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boarderaholic
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Posted on Nov 14, 2006

I guess you OBVIOUSLY havn't learned the basic skill progressions...
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Posted on Nov 15, 2006

Guys its almost time to hit the mt. and begin practicing all of these new things to better prepare me for the park! i really can wait! i'm so amped!

Again i want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread...i plan on going back to the beginning and sorta progressing through this thread as i progress on the mt.  I'm also thinking about posting on here to let everone know of my progress! maybe some pics too!


nickhallett

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Posted on Nov 17, 2006

Last year was my first season and my second time out my friends told me to start hitting some of the jumps and I did and fell a few times but then started landing them.  Is this a bad idea to try things that quickly because that was only my second time out.  This year I really want to start attempting rails because I skateboard and I think that I could use my skateboarding experience to help me with it.  Is it a bad idea to be hitting bigger jumps already and trying small ride-on rails?  I can ollie onto boxes and ollie off so is that enough skill to step up to small rails?
 
-Thanks for the help!
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F430

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Posted on Nov 17, 2006

Start small, build your way up. If you want to try out the rails, start by 50-50'ing flat boxes, and then just progress. For jumps i would get my riding down a bit more, for it helps with landing them mand all that. I would suggest trying the jumps on the sides of runs if you have any.

sectachrome

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Posted on Nov 17, 2006

If you skate, ride on 5050s are cake.

nickhallett

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Posted on Nov 17, 2006

For skating I can do much more than ride on 50-50s.  I know its much more difficult on a snowboard though and also much more dangerous so I will practice a lot more maybe in my backyard on the rail me and my friend are making before I hit rails at the mountain.
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ProductZ

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Posted on Nov 18, 2006

Posted by boarderaholic
Dude, this is a thread about BASICS. Things like ollies...nollies...NOT how to launch yourself off of jumps!



Actually boarderaholic,  I think maybe there has been a lot of good advice on those subjects that roadrunner can use to help him through.  But we should continue this kind of input on what would be considered the next steps in progressing in the park.  Although the thread will then be improperly named, I still think we should continue in the progression of the park so that riders of all skill level will be able to compile a study guide from all this awesome advice.  Kinda like a Wikipedia for snowboard boot camp.  But to maintain its quality try to only give advice if you actually have the certs to do so.  I intended to start a format so that when trick#14 "360 melon" came around, I could get some good advice.  Let the thread grow maaaan. 

Lord of the board, good start on the next chapter buddy.  Anybody else care to give their lesson writeup?


I am going to start a new thread about Freeride s. Freestyle, and the new style in between those 2 i like to call  Freedom Style.  I like what you guys were sayin about flyin down the mountain and improvising those fun little kickers, etc.  (Wait maybe we should call it "Freeride Improv".

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Posted on Nov 18, 2006

Posted by ProductZ
MushilaTroop Great Job!  That was a very well written summarization.  Although it seems easy for you guys to explain it is a lot harder for us beginners to understand it because we dont know how to physically do it yet.  I dont think that there is only one way to word things either.  Some people may understand it easier explained from different points of view.  I am keeping Mulisha's post on record for my beginner box/rail study guide.  Unfortunately I am not there yet.  My situation is very similiar to roadrunners although, I have been riding for several years.  I can rip the mountain in half but when it comes to the park I am right there with ya buddy.  I plan to get a intro to park lesson but before then I would like to get some of these basics on my mind.  You guys are doing a great job of explaining them.  Keep it coming.  Bleezie - MushilaTroop, or any other instructor your knowledge is appreciated and if you could write a summarization of what you might tell someone in a lesson for each trick that would be sweet.
for example.  Ill start a format -  for each trick if you guys could make the same list shown below; except with your own words of advice following. 

1.  RIDING SWITCH

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2.  OLLIE

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3.  NOLLIE

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4.  NOSE PRESS

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5.  TAIL PRESS

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6.  BUTTERING

- "a butter is a tail/nose press ON SNOW, WHILE ROTATING. It's not in the air, or off a jump. A single "butter" would be a rotation of 180 degrees from nose to tail or vise versa.

NOW, to do a butter 3,5,7,9, or whatever,

    1. First practice tail/nose presses and spinning 360 degrees on snow. Once you are comfortable finding that center of balance and keeping it;
    2. As you are doing a tail/nose press, turn your head and shoulders in the direction you want to spin, if you turn your head 360 degrees, your body and board will follow. Make sure you keep the tail/nose press thoughout the spin (ON SNOW). Keep spinning till you want to end the trick;
    3. Once you want to finish, either ollie out, or simple reconnect your tail/nose with the snow and continue on shredding. Voila, it's that simple."    - MikeTrick 2006
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(I know some of these were briefly covered already but it would be good to get advice from any instructor who has taught a lesson)

Feel free to add any other excersizes you feel are important before entering the park and then we will make another format for beginner park tricks.  ride on box/rail etc.  (is this too much to ask?)


[Edited by ProductZ on 9/26/2006 at 8:01 PM]
[Edited by ProductZ on 9/26/2006 at 8:17 PM]
 
 
to do the butter 3,5,7,9 .. the first advice :  first practice spinning 360 on snow ......  do you mean while riding ???? or its the kinda of thing you can do in your backyard not riding to practice your balance .

ProductZ

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Posted on Nov 19, 2006

snow.  You can practice nose and tail presses standing still in the grass.  But its going to be a little hard to spin without snow.

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