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MulishaTroop250

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Posted on Sep 25, 2006

first things first u gotta assess your skills.  stick with tricks that are in your skill range. start out by getting your balance squared away on small natural terrain jumps.  If you can't maintain your balance jumping off a mogul than you won't have any chance of keeping your balance jumping on or off of a box or rail.  Once you're confident with that you should find a couple boxes that you can ride onto without having to jump onto.  once you've mastered that practice jumping onto the box and jumping off at the end.  even though you can just ride on, practice jumping on the box...once you master this you're ready to move up to more challenging obstacles.  Once you master one box, you've pretty much got any box mastered, they all slide the same.  Learn 50-50's, boarslides, nosepresses; once you get these tricks you can start doin them on bigger boxes and rails.  Take your time and you'll be a pro before you know it.  Like i said before if you start your skills small you'll have the bag of tricks when you start pushing yourself.  worst thing you can do is try something above your skill level and get injured and miss the whole season.  Good luck and have fun shredding!

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Posted on Sep 25, 2006

^^^^^Isn't that what Bleezie, and I said?
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Bleezie

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Posted on Sep 26, 2006

Yeah, he just summarized everything everyone else said in his own words.
 
lol
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ProductZ

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Posted on Sep 26, 2006

MushilaTroop Great Job!  That was a very well written summarization.  Although it seems easy for you guys to explain it is a lot harder for us beginners to understand it because we dont know how to physically do it yet.  I dont think that there is only one way to word things either.  Some people may understand it easier explained from different points of view.  I am keeping Mulisha's post on record for my beginner box/rail study guide.  Unfortunately I am not there yet.  My situation is very similiar to roadrunners although, I have been riding for several years.  I can rip the mountain in half but when it comes to the park I am right there with ya buddy.  I plan to get a intro to park lesson but before then I would like to get some of these basics on my mind.  You guys are doing a great job of explaining them.  Keep it coming.  Bleezie - MushilaTroop, or any other instructor your knowledge is appreciated and if you could write a summarization of what you might tell someone in a lesson for each trick that would be sweet.
for example.  Ill start a format -  for each trick if you guys could make the same list shown below; except with your own words of advice following. 

1.  RIDING SWITCH

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2.  OLLIE

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3.  NOLLIE

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4.  NOSE PRESS

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5.  TAIL PRESS

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6.  BUTTERING

- "a butter is a tail/nose press ON SNOW, WHILE ROTATING. It's not in the air, or off a jump. A single "butter" would be a rotation of 180 degrees from nose to tail or vise versa.

NOW, to do a butter 3,5,7,9, or whatever,

    1. First practice tail/nose presses and spinning 360 degrees on snow. Once you are comfortable finding that center of balance and keeping it;
    2. As you are doing a tail/nose press, turn your head and shoulders in the direction you want to spin, if you turn your head 360 degrees, your body and board will follow. Make sure you keep the tail/nose press thoughout the spin (ON SNOW). Keep spinning till you want to end the trick;
    3. Once you want to finish, either ollie out, or simple reconnect your tail/nose with the snow and continue on shredding. Voila, it's that simple."    - MikeTrick 2006
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(I know some of these were briefly covered already but it would be good to get advice from any instructor who has taught a lesson)

Feel free to add any other excersizes you feel are important before entering the park and then we will make another format for beginner park tricks.  ride on box/rail etc.  (is this too much to ask?)


[Edited by ProductZ on 9/26/2006 at 8:01 PM]
[Edited by ProductZ on 9/26/2006 at 8:17 PM]

ProductZ

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Posted on Sep 26, 2006

7.  BOXS/RAILS

"Once you're confident with that you should find a couple boxes that you can ride onto without having to jump onto.  once you've mastered that practice jumping onto the box and jumping off at the end.  even though you can just ride on, practice jumping on the box...once you master this you're ready to move up to more challenging obstacles.  Once you master one box, you've pretty much got any box mastered, they all slide the same.  Learn 50-50's, boarslides, nosepresses; once you get these tricks you can start doin them on bigger boxes and rails."  - MulishaTroop250 2006

8.  ???


boarderaholic
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Posted on Sep 26, 2006

Posted by ProductZ

1.  RIDING SWITCH
Remember to keep your knee's bent. Look where you want to go, and keep your weight on your lead foot.

2.  OLLIE

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3.  NOLLIE

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4.  NOSE PRESS

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5.  TAIL PRESS

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6.  BUTTERING

- "a butter is a tail/nose press ON SNOW, WHILE ROTATING. It's not in the air, or off a jump. A single "butter" would be a rotation of 180 degrees from nose to tail or vise versa.

NOW, to do a butter 3,5,7,9, or whatever,

    1. First practice tail/nose presses and spinning 360 degrees on snow. Once you are comfortable finding that center of balance and keeping it;
    2. As you are doing a tail/nose press, turn your head and shoulders in the direction you want to spin, if you turn your head 360 degrees, your body and board will follow. Make sure you keep the tail/nose press thoughout the spin (ON SNOW). Keep spinning till you want to end the trick;
    3. Once you want to finish, either ollie out, or simple reconnect your tail/nose with the snow and continue on shredding. Voila, it's that simple."    - MikeTrick 2006
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[Edited by ProductZ on 9/26/2006 at 8:01 PM]
[Edited by ProductZ on 9/26/2006 at 8:17 PM]
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ProductZ

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Posted on Sep 27, 2006

cool - pretty basic I know but thats important to remember.  I used to always catch myself leaning back.

roadrunner1659

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Posted on Sep 27, 2006

this thread has become very helpful haha! i was wondering when i think back to when i ride switch i tend to bend at the knees but then i put my weight on my back foot/leg...why is it that you want to put your weight forward?
 
 

boarderaholic
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Posted on Sep 27, 2006

Putting your weight on your backfoot tends to cause you to wash out. And I shall go find a mod to sticky this thread.
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ProductZ

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Posted on Sep 28, 2006

Yea, maintaining equal balance on both feet is absolutely key to snowboarding period.  Every trick, carve, butter you ever do will be more fluint and allow for more growth if you are properly balanced.  At first it feels wrong or unsafe.  Sometimes it even feels as if you are leaning forward too far when in actuality you are perfectly even.  You have to learn to trust the front end of your board.  Get reeeaaaalll cozy with it.

pavalicious
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Posted on Sep 28, 2006

Nice thread going here guys!
All this info is really good, and also like you've been saying, roadrunner and that, you should definently take a lesson. It helps so much and will quicken your imporvment rate by so much! Its great being told what to do, but it always heaps so much to have someone show you. Plus, Im sure the instructor, be the Bleezie or whoever, will find out your ability pretty quick and go from there. Its the same with anything, like surfing. I tried self learning for a few weeks, and wasnt going so great. After 1 lesson, I was up. Still a bit sketchy, but when being shown something, you really grasp the concept quicker. So I highly recommend lessons if anyone is second thinking it, well worth the money.
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roadrunner1659

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Posted on Sep 30, 2006

i would take a park lesson for sure!  i would just want to be able to do the skills mentioned above to give myself a good base!

F430

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Posted on Oct 07, 2006

First off guys, this thread is really helpful, and should def be stickied by mods.
Anyways roadrunner man im in sorta the same position as you, a little better off but in the same pool. Ive been riding for 4 years, this will be my 5th. Im also getting a season pass to Whistler Blackcomb so i look forward to learning alot this year. Im comfortable with riding at high speeds, and am getting comfortable at jumping. Riding switch isnt so easy, but i can do tail presses no probs, havent really tried nose presses. Ive been to the park already and feel i can do table tops and land them, sometimes throwing a grab in if i feel stable and all. I think i can master jumps on my own, but i have this sorta fear of rails. I can do 50 50's on boxes and some rails, but i havent tried boardslides, and i just dont really know how to approach them. Should i go on the box and just turn my board? Should i jump onto the box, turn my board and land sideways onto the rail? Should i do frontside/backside? Anytips on getting off the rail? Any comments/tips will be greatly appreciated, thanks to all.

Ben_S

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Posted on Oct 14, 2006

1.  RIDING SWITCH *Fakie, see description below.
     Riding in the opposite direction to your normal direction of travel. If you right regular, then riding right foot forward instead, if you're goofy, left foot forward instead. Elsewhere is a detailed arguement about switch vs fakie and which is the accurate description. As defined by the BASI: Fakie is the term for riding orientated in your 'un-natural' direction, Switch is any trick done while in Fakie. So, really, you're thinking of riding fakie.

2.  OLLIE
     Using the board, more than your own legs, to power a jump. An ollie is launched from the tail of the board by moving your weight back, so the nose lifts, and then forward again, so the pop in the board gets released through the tail, propelling you into the air. This is the natural progression from the nose and tail presses. Different instructional governing bodies then state that a ollie is only completed when landed in a certain way (SSBS - On the nose of the board, BASI - On the flat of the board) but when I teach I say that the ollie itself is the actual jump using the board. Ollies shouldn't be used over kickers as, if you get used to it on smaller kickers, it can cause you to have your weight too far back or forward for landing. This hurts. A lot.

3.  NOLLIE
     As above, but with the movement orientated to the front of the board, not the back. Both tricks to be done when riding in your usual direction. If you ride fakie into an ollie, ie, still go off your 'normal' tail (fakie nose) then it's actually a switch nollie. Complicated or what?

4.  NOSE PRESS
     Moving your weight to the front of the board so as to lift the back of the board into the air. For best balance should actually be achieved using your legs. If you stand first on a flat area, strapped into your board, you should be able to move your weight by bending either of your legs. If you bend your front leg enough, while keeping your back leg straight, it will move your weight over the front of the board and bringing tail up. This is the most stable, and most effective, way of doing a nose press. The continuation is to now try this moving, at which point it becomes a nose RIDE. You won't be able to control the board very easily, and trying to hold an edge is almost impossible. The best way to control the board becomes counter rotation if you're trying to stay in a straight line, or rotation if you are trying to turn or butter the board (See below). A nose press/ride can also be done on a rail or box as a grind, but we'll ignore that at the moment.

5.  TAIL PRESS
     As above, but on the tail of the board. (This is the correct movement to start an ollie)

6.  BUTTERING

- "a butter is a tail/nose press ON SNOW, WHILE ROTATING. It's not in the air, or off a jump. A single "butter" would be a rotation of 180 degrees from nose to tail or vise versa.

NOW, to do a butter 3,5,7,9, or whatever,

    1. First practice tail/nose presses and spinning 360 degrees on snow. Once you are comfortable finding that center of balance and keeping it;
    2. As you are doing a tail/nose press, turn your head and shoulders in the direction you want to spin, if you turn your head 360 degrees, your body and board will follow. Make sure you keep the tail/nose press thoughout the spin (ON SNOW). Keep spinning till you want to end the trick;
    3. Once you want to finish, either ollie out, or simple reconnect your tail/nose with the snow and continue on shredding. Voila, it's that simple."    - MikeTrick 2006
(liked this last explanation a lot)
 
To do specific butters, like 'butter the muffin' (don't quote me on the name) you have to connect the different types of butter. Try my personal favourite for 'kudos' at the start of a run on piste: ollie fs 90 to nosepress fs 90 to switch bs 180 to tailpress fs 180 to bs 180 and ride out. Once you can start to string that sort of stuff together then you can use it coming onto rails etc.
 
If any of that's not clear, say and I'll edit it later. Only just woke up and am pretty hungover.

[Edited by Ben_S on 14/10/2006 at 05:57]

standingdream

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Posted on Oct 14, 2006

this should help you.  it's got an explanation along with an animation.   http://www.abc-of-snowboarding.com/snowboarding-tricks/   

WAITING4WINTER

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Posted on Oct 14, 2006

man its all about your confidence if you think you can di= o it than do it you might wipe but thats all part of it!
 
realy they say your only as good as your equipment i say your stuffs only as good as you so the more u ride the better it gets!  skill is all about whos watching you!

boarderaholic
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Posted on Oct 14, 2006

Man, shut up. Seriously. Without basic skills, you are more likely to hurt yourself, thus possibly ending a season, or ones ability to ride for life. Now, I don't know about you, but I'm pretty damn sure the author has no intention of never being able to ride again, so I hope for the safety of everyone out there that they don't listen to what you posted!
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roadrunner1659

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Posted on Oct 15, 2006

WOW im so surprized on how my thread has really taken off...im going to be honest with you guys other then riding normal and switch, and an ollie and nollie, i didn't know anything about the others...nose and tail presses, butters...etc.
 
This is great for me b/c its giving me alot of things for me to learn this year...i love snowboarding although i dont get to as much as i would like due to college, a job, and o yea being 2 1/2 hrs away from a mt. but when i do go up i usually just ride...this year i want to learn more and maybe go into the park...so all of these things give me alot of different things to learn so that im good enough to begin learning the park!
 
I am really excited for this season and i want to thank all of you! O yea and another thing...i didn't know that you want to balance out between the front and back foot when just riding...i know for sure that when i ride switch i put alot of my weight back on my back foot, but when im riding regular (goofy) i think i do ok but i am going to work on balancing out my weight b/t both feet even if i feel like im going over the edge!
 
Thanks!

ivar80

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Posted on Oct 15, 2006

Well, I don't want to go against the general consensus in here. That is: don't go in over your head.
 
However, I have never cared much for flatland and I sure as hell can't press or butter but I can still lay down 3s and 5s. Neither requires you do be able to butter around the greens. What it comes down to is boardcontrol and realizing the fact that progress is just that.. progress. Start small. respect the park. Wear a helmet and some wristguards at the very least.

Ben_S

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Posted on Oct 16, 2006

No, being able to butter isn't essential. But, if you learn it right then it does make a huge difference to landing a 3, or any other rotation. The basic set of movements for nose and tail turns are the same as for an air rotation, but without the air time. It gives you better control of your rotations from much earlier on and allows you to get used to the feeling of spin out if you misjudge the landing when you're learning airs. I'd never teach someone to do an aerial rotation without running through the movements using nose and tail turns.

harves

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Posted on Oct 16, 2006

butters are good to learn as it develops edge awareness (know which edge of your board you should be on) and also help with initiating rotations as you have to move your shoulders and head to spin around... this is all handy when learning to do jumps and spins so when you take of you are intitiating more with your head and shoulders instead of hucking around and also when landing to knwo which edge you should be landing on and this will misimise scorpions (face plants) when you land....plus they are also fun if you happen to find yourself on a boring green run

roadrunner1659

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Posted on Oct 22, 2006

Thanks! I am getting great information and i think as others suggested...this thread should be stickied or something to keep it on the top.  I think it would be good to everyone that is new to the park! 
 
Also, i think i might keep all of you guys up to date on how i am doing on all of this stuff...kinda cool way to keep track!
 
...i was wondering something though...i got my first board in the spring b/c it was a complete setup...board, bindings, and boots, for 200 dollars. i couldn't pass it up b/c i was tired of renting but not suited for getting an expensive board just yet...but i was reading in other threads about boards for the park...how do i know whether or not my board is going to be ok to use in the park? my board is a SP Classic 156
 
Thanks!

avigo

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Posted on Oct 22, 2006

well ive been riding for like 3 seaons i guess, but not much. Last season i got my first season pass but there was almost no snow here in rhode island so i didnt get to do a lot.

I can do 180's, boardslides on boxes, 50-50s, indy grab etc. Nothing special. I usually set goals what i should learn next season, for example this winter i want to learn boardslides on an rail, cbox etc., 360's and riding switch good. I will prolly practice buttering etc. too.

I started out in a park pretty much, i always loved freestyle. The first indy grab and 180 i actually learned in my backyard at the beginning of the season when my "mountain wasnt open. Ive read a lot throught the year so im pretty sure i will learn new things this season, only problem is my fear of heights which im trying to concur

Edit: Also like snowolf said, jump everything you see, i ALWAYS do that. Whenever i got off the lift i tryed to do flatground 180's or just ollies on my way to the trail.

[Edited by avigo on 10/22/2006 at 7:59 PM]
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Posted on Oct 23, 2006

GOOD THREAD!

ScottyDearin

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Posted on Oct 23, 2006

One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is if it's your first time in the park, take a couple laps through it to check out the features and maybe find the ones that you think you could hit.  That way you'll have a better idea of what you're getting yourself into.  Look before you leap.
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