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anti-bling

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Posted on Oct 25, 2009

I'm fuckin sick of Global Warming fucking with my winters.  When i was a kid, we had enough snow to open my local hill by the end of November.  Lately, it struggles to open by mid-Dec!

If you feel the same, do me a favor.

I made a poster conveying how i feel about this bullshit.  Download it and distribute it it freely.  I have a B4 size one suitable for photocopying and putting up at your local shop.  If you want it just mail me and i'll throw the file your way.

Cause i hate riding on manmade snow.

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Posted on Oct 26, 2009

  I feel the same way about falling down. Im starting a petition to repeal the law of gravity. That shit blows.

bernwern

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Posted on Oct 26, 2009

Posted by OddBall22
  I feel the same way about falling down. Im starting a petition to repeal the law of gravity. That shit blows.
 
I feel the same way about the dumbing down of scoiety.  I'm starting a petition to prevent these AGW sheeple from reproducing.  This shit drives me crazy.
 
-B
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Ale_Capone
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Posted on Oct 26, 2009

hahaha, politics aside, I love your photo analogies!!! although, blow up dolls need loving too...
 
Ironically, I just made public details of a project I am working on. Simular in scope, but with a differant goal. Each are asking people do the same, but for a differant reason. Mine is more about sustainability, and enriching yourself and those around you. It's not about saving the enviroment as much as budgeting it ;). If it has other affects, so be it.
 
 
 
as posted elsewhere....
 
 
 
 
I am working on a semi-secret writing project that I guess you could say is about living local as possible. It's kind of hippy, but the idea stemmed from a conversation over a beer at the north fork a little over a year ago. It kind of encompasses a lot of my ideals and beliefs. It's not just about snowboarding, but in everything I do. What I eat and drink, where I do business, what I buy, where I go. After a year of experimenting and researching, I am going to try to make it happen in 2010...

It's going to take a lot of sacrifices on my part, but I think the rewards will far outweight them. I extend the invitation to anyone and everyone who makes it up highway 2 this year to join me, if even only for a day. Will be touring anywhere and everywhere in between Gold Bar and Leavenworth.

Note.. This is not an effort to promote the area or to prove anything. The idea is to promote supporting your own local, wherever it may be. And I mean not to diss anyone else. I thouroughly enjoy reading of others far flung adventures, but I don't feel the need to follow. I really hope my friends understand what I am trying to do, and don't give me too much grief.

Heres to a safe and snowful winter for everyone!! Hope to see you out there.:doobie:


anti-bling

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Posted on Oct 29, 2009

Posted by bernwern

  I'm starting a petition to prevent these AGW sheeple from reproducing.  This shit drives me crazy.
 
-B


i love this article

'The last flat-earther'

ha!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/27/AR2009102702845.html
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bernwern

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Posted on Oct 29, 2009

Posted by anti-bling
Posted by bernwern

  I'm starting a petition to prevent these AGW sheeple from reproducing.  This shit drives me crazy.
 
-B


i love this article

'The last flat-earther'

ha!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/27/AR2009102702845.html
 
ROFL your arguments are all bunk.  The AGW sheeple are all a bunch of cultists, just like Scientologists.....blindly following whatever you are told.  Keep relying on bad computer models and faulty data to drive your church of fear and control.  If we humans are so smart to know not only that we caused "global warming", but also what exactly will happen the next 50-100 years because of "AGW", why the fuck don't we just cure cancer, AIDS, autism, and a host of other issues plaguing us?  Use you fucking head....you are being brainwashed and controlled.  Don't think about the minutia, look at the big picture.
 
-B
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All work and no play is totally missing the point.


anti-bling

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Posted on Oct 30, 2009

Thats right, Bern.  I haven't read several books (written by climate scientists), haven't tried to understand the science, don't follow any kind of updates or arguements in the press, and i an obedient drone dedicated to regurgitaing whatever fashionable mavement that happens to sweeping the airwaves.



Thanks for reminding me.

Love you too.



Oh, by the way, i have a question thats been puzzling me for a bit. 

CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and keeps the Earth warm. I hope we can agree on that.

All this carbon thats been sitting in the Earth, out of the natural cycle for millions of years.. thats stuff we call 'oil'..  when we burn it in huge amounts, and the gases go into the atmosphere, why don't they have the warming effect that they are are supposed to? 
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bernwern

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Posted on Oct 30, 2009

CO2 is not having the effect you and your biased scientists that are looking for grant money are trying to claim.  The natural fluctuations between the atmosphere, the oceans, and vegetation account for roughly 97% of the CO2...that means humans account for less than 3%.  Your "climate scientists", that write books to make money, are glad to tell you how much damage we have done, but with no real comparison data and all of it based on incedibly shitty computer models.  Hold on to your E-Meter and keep believing!
 
-B
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All work and no play is totally missing the point.


shredtherad

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Posted on Oct 30, 2009

Comparing climate change to aids research is apples and oranges, they are two completely different phenomenons. Every scientific theory is just that, a theory. Every day what we take as hard 'scientific' knowledge is challenged, changed and evolves based on new observations and interpretations into our various theoretical models about how the world works. Making an informed decision based on your interpretation of scientific inquiry isn't kooky. It's called using available information to form opinions.

As far as your three percent argument, three percent can make a big difference when it comes to many things. A 3 percent drop in sales has been enough to drive a lot of snowboard companies and shops to the brink of extinction this year. A 3 percent contraction in economic markets is seen as a crisis. Why wouldn't that kind of 3 percent swing apply to climate change? And what's wrong with trying to do something to impact change on a global level?

I personally think climate change may be one consequence of a culture of consumption where we are consuming beyond our means. The economic crisis is also symptomatic of this cult of consumption in western culture. I just don't see how encouraging people to live their lives in a way that makes more efficient use of resources is such a bad thing...Oh wait, it's easier to just shoot it down and go on living our lives as if we are sitting on an unlimited global crop of everything we want and need.

To quote Greg Graffin...how much is enough to kill yourself?


tooscoops
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Posted on Nov 01, 2009

though bern isn't arguing it this way... i feel he's just pissed about the media coverage and blind following of whatever is put in front of people.
 
i doubt anyone sitting there spraying old cans of paint, lighting fire to gas and wasting resources just because there isn't solid proof "climate change" is the fault of any of that stuff... i'm with bern... i'll do my best to stop relying on the "bad" stuff in our society.  but i'm not going to do it so i can have more snow... a) thats just as selfish as driving my giant SUV all over because i want to, and b)you shouldn't need a personal benefit to do something good.
 
i hate the hipocrisy of the hippy mentality.  (not calling you one anti... i've read all the threads you start and i know you attempt to do your research).
 
what ever happened to doing something because its the right thing, not in order to gain something?  i bet at least half of the douchebags protesting all the global warming and shit are just doing their part to save money, not the planet.  the green benefits are just a bonus to them spending less at the pump, having little to no utilities bills, not buying a car at all.... whatever.  i don't care if the cost benefit is totally why they do it, just don't put up this green facade and parade about being high and mighty.
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anti-bling

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Posted on Nov 01, 2009

Posted by bernwern
CO2 is not having the effect you and your biased scientists that are looking for grant money are trying to claim.  The natural fluctuations between the atmosphere, the oceans, and vegetation account for roughly 97% of the CO2...that means humans account for less than 3%.  Your "climate scientists", that write books to make money, are glad to tell you how much damage we have done, but with no real comparison data and all of it based on incedibly shitty computer models.  Hold on to your E-Meter and keep believing!
 
-B
 
Why is it not having an effect?  The ecosystem is finely tuned, and it takes little to throw it off balance, such as a volcanic eruption. I mean, one eruption can fuck up weather around the globe!
Eventually, it can recover from such things, as long as they are not protracted.  But we are continually erupting gas into the atmosphere, and the natural systems can't "sink" the carbon as fast as we put it up there.  So again, i as, why isn't that extra carbon having an effect?
 
If you think 3% (if thats the number you feel is correct) is too little to have an effect, here's a homework assignment.  See how much the sea level would rise if humans managed to increase the water volume of the oceans by 3%.
 
Everything we do has an effect, nothing works independently in nature. Its cliche, but everything is connected. Until you can grasp this truth,  you can continue beliving that  3% increase in the blanket that keeps earth warm "is not having any effect".
 
Thats right, keep repeating the inhofe lullaby... Its all just a coincidence, its all just a coincidence
 
 
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bernwern

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Posted on Nov 02, 2009

Posted by anti-bling
If you think 3% (if thats the number you feel is correct) is too little to have an effect, here's a homework assignment.  See how much the sea level would rise if humans managed to increase the water volume of the oceans by 3%.
 
Everything we do has an effect, nothing works independently in nature. Its cliche, but everything is connected. Until you can grasp this truth,  you can continue beliving that  3% increase in the blanket that keeps earth warm "is not having any effect".
 
The 3% was from the IPCC report in 2007.  Yes, it is an effect, but not like your "scientists" and computer models show (those are grossly exagerrated so they can keep getting paid).  I do violently disagree about CO2 being a blanket keeping the Earth warm...the Sun is the single largest factor in climate change, and is the single most effective element keeping the Earth warm as well.
 
Bottom line is this: I come and post on half of your propaganda topics to make sure others question the shit spewing from your keyboard.  At this point, neither of us will change each other's minds.  So let's agree to disagree, allowing others to make up their own minds with all the information.  Over the next 10, 20, 30, even 50 years we can check back and see who is right....but for now we might as well be two monkeys humping a football.
 
-B
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bernwern

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Posted on Nov 02, 2009

Posted by shredtherad
Comparing climate change to aids research is apples and oranges, they are two completely different phenomenons. Every scientific theory is just that, a theory.
 
I made that comparison to simply point out the assnine "science" claiming that humans are the primary factor in climate change.  We understand far more about HIV, SIV, AIDS, the Human Genome, and more than we will ever understand about the complex science behind climate change.  Continental drift, volcanic eruptions, solar forcing, ocean surface temps, earthquakes, oceanic currents, and plethora of other systems all have impact on climate change.  We do not completely understand them all, or how they inter-relate.  Meterologists can't get the weather right in a 5 day forecast consistently.  But these "climate scientists" can claim that humans are the majority of the cause, and also show us exactly what will happen in the next 50-100 years?  Come on!  Get real!  Everyone is being lied to!
 
Two Scoops is right: I am not sitting around burning tyres, discharging aerosol cans, etc.  I am simply trying to make sure everyone looks at both sides, not blindly follow the "green" movement like a bunch of retarded cultists.
 
-B
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All work and no play is totally missing the point.


texfrost
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Posted on Nov 03, 2009

Posted by bernwern
we might as well be two monkeys humping a football.
 
-B
 
Can I join?
 
Ok.  I'm gona put all of this in simpler terms.  I don't say that global warming does, or does not exist.  I do fear however, the possibility that it does.  So therefore, I take steps to help prevent it.  I drive a big ass truck.  Your damn strait.  I also have a reason to drive it.  I can't pull a horse trailer with a Mini Car.  Nor is my family/friend safe in most mini cars. 
 
I love the woods.  I love the snow.  What I want most to prevent, is the loss of the woods.  I wish people would spend more time with Regentrification than building new crap and cutting down more trees.  Yea, I burn wood to heat my house, when I live in my own place.  I also understand that proper forestry requires the thinning of wooded areas.  After the logging company comes in and thins, I take the tops of the trees.  Then the ashes from the winter fertilize my garden.
 
I want a house on a 1000 acre spread.  Why?  When I die I can put it in my will, that by law, it can never be developed beyond what it has been.  I also want my house, my stables and so on to be green.  I want to actually not even need to be on the power grid.  Partly for the savings of money, but also because I beleive global warming is possible.  Have since I was a little kid.  I mean, think about it.  If you can heat your house and keep it warm, then why could you not heat the earth that is covered in a giant blanket?  It makes sense, does it not?  It maybe little bits at first, but little bits turn into bigger bits. 
 
The earth is not given to you by your parents, its on loan to you from your kids.  We know whats bad for the earth.  Clear cutting forests, fertilizing your lawn with motor oil, pouring chemicals into lakes rivers and streams, just to name a few.  There are basic things that we can all change to help better the earth.  Without looking like a douche.
 
Look at the way the earth works.  A tree for example.  A tree grows.  Produces fruit.  The fruit can be eaten by the other animals around, and what is not eaten can be used as seeds to help the tree reproduce.  It can even rot away and become absorbed back into the ground.  All three of these things help add to the earth.  The earth uses as much as it wants and needs.  It also recycles every bit it uses.  We can do close to the same. 
 
I work in a plastics factory.  I hate it.  I hate the effect that plastic has on the environment.  Atleast however, the shop I am in now does not make single use plastics.  Plastics cannot biodegrade.  They Photodegrade, meaning it is always plastic.  It simply becomes smaller particles of plastic.  It has its uses, but people tend to make it horrible.  Thats my problem with it.  The way people use and disregard it.  Here is an example.
 
 
I want you all to look at a foundation called Surf Rider.  I have been a supporter for some time.  Not the supporter I would like to be, but I totally dig this foundation.  I have to say that they are one of the most effective in fighting for what they beleive in and saving the earth.  Not with publicity and famous people.  With people like you and me who have a passion for something.  For them, its surfing and saving the beaches.  They do also have a fledgling Snow Rider branch as well.  Check em out.  You'll be glad you did.
 
 
So, who wants to hump a football?  I have cheese wedges too!
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ult

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Posted on Nov 04, 2009


lakia
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Posted on Nov 04, 2009

meh.................we have had record winters the last few years, and its all holding true with the weather patterns of my area over extended periods of time. You want more snow, move to the northwest, or colorado or utah.
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BrightEyes13
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Posted on Nov 08, 2009

Haha! I do like the poster!
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bernwern

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Posted on Nov 20, 2009

Well, well, well....it seems there is a big hole in the AGW cult's armor: leaked emails and files showing lies and manipulation.  Here you go:
 
 
And a nice link from within the article:
 
 
This begs the question: how much more data has been manipulated, suppressed, and mis-reported by others on this bandwagon?  This is only the tip of the iceberg......
 
I immediately question not only the data you sheeple have been quoting forever, but now I can completely disregard the computer models that were already flawed and were running on manipulated data and lies.  Just like Scientology, your days are numbered....
 
-B
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ult

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Posted on Nov 20, 2009

Bern - None of that means anything...it's typical fox news spurious crap. Spinning minor things, that don't mean much, into an over all hypothesis that the bigger issue must be false since the minor things are minorly true. If that makes any sense.
 
Anyway, who cares about global warming...I want to know if Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990?!?!?!?
He hasn't denied it!
 

bernwern

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Posted on Nov 20, 2009

Posted by ult
Bern - None of that means anything...it's typical fox news spurious crap.
 
I guess you didn't read it to see where it came from.  Fox picked it up from elsewhere.  It still has not hit Fark, Plime, Yahoo, or others I use.  British sources seem to have reported it first (for major news sources) and they also have verified from the source that it is indeed info a hacker took days ago and they knew it.
 
Don't hate Fox News for reporting it here first.  The sad fact is this is very real and very incriminating, especially for a government funded British entitiy.
 
-B
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ult

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Posted on Nov 20, 2009

I've seen it in other places besides FOX (FARK just got it up awhile ago...form a Michelle Malkin article!)...I just don't see how a few out of context quotes by one set of scientists in one research institution...means the entire 'theory' is suspect. Sure...there's a couple of bad 'looking' quotes in there...and I'm sure there's a scientist or two over there that's red faced and might even lose a job or funding...but does it really mean that all that ice up in the artic isn't melting?
Uh...no.

tzobell

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Posted on Nov 20, 2009

Let’s not forget about all the suppression of truth of the issue that went on during the Bush years, deception has gone both ways on this issue Bern. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/19/politics/19CLIM.html

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-158649943/warming-data-allegedly-manipulated.html

I would also like to let you know, regarding your 3% of Co2 statistic, that "warm" climates and "ice ages" are only separated by 5-10 degrees C. In places like Alaska where temperatures have risen at a much faster rate the permafrost is melting, houses are crumbling, polar bears can't find ice to rest on, insect populations are out of control and destroying certain species of Evergreen, islands that in the past had a barrier of ice to protect them are being eroded at such a rate that indigenous people on the island are having to be relocated to the mainland on Alaska. Not to mention the glaciers are retreating.


[Edited by tzobell on 11/20/2009 at 3:52 PM]

ult

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Posted on Nov 20, 2009

 
"Actually, what you have is a scientist, Dr. Jones, talking candidly about sexing up a graph to make his conclusions more persuasive. This is not a good thing thing to do -- I'd go so far as to call it unethical -- and Jones deserves some of the loss of face that he will suffer. Unfortunately, this is the sort of thing that happens all the time in both academia and the private sector -- have you ever looked at the graphs in the annual report of a company which had a bad year? And it seems to happen all too often on both sides of the global warming debate (I'd include some of the graphics from An Inconvenient Truth in this category, FWIW.)

But let's be clear: Jones is talking to his colleagues about making a prettier picture out of his data, and not about manipulating the data itself. Again, I'm not trying to excuse what he did -- we make a lot of charts here and 538 and make every effort to ensure that they fairly and accurately reflect the underlying data (in addition to being aesthetically appealing.) I wish everybody would abide by that standard.

Still: I don't know how you get from some scientist having sexed up a graph in East Anglia ten years ago to The Final Nail In The Coffin of Anthropogenic Global Warming. Anyone who comes to that connection has more screws loose than the Space Shuttle Challenger. And yet that's literally what some of these bloggers are saying!

Incidentally, 2009 is shaping up to be the 5th warmist year on record, according to the conspiracists at NASA."

bernwern

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Posted on Nov 23, 2009

I realize the internet bloggers are blowing this out of proportion, including when it was called a final nail in the coffin.  I think this is but a brief glimpse into what really goes on behind the scenes.
 
So the email is 10 years old?  What more has been hidden?  What about the email where they plan to no longer have articles printed in magazines unless they replace their editor?  Look at it all...it clearly shows the lengths these people, that get paid off our tax dollars (at least in Jones's case), are willing to go to keep their cause alive.  Note that these were INTERNAL emails and docs, so we only have the info Jones sent to colleagues at many places, some with pretty damning suggestions.  Do the others feel that way?  Why would he tell people to delete their emails?  What are they hiding?  Why was this kept hidden, even from the British government?
 
I am saying you should all open your mind and think critically, not simply be a follower.  Yes, AK has some weird anomolies happening lately; yes, South Africa has gotten snow more often lately.  The Earth is a series of complex, inter-dependent systems and we still do not understan them all, nor how they impact one another.  Our scientists and computer models know this.  But they know without a bit of drama they don't get funding, so they do what they feel is ethical to keep getting paid for what they blindly love.  That is their choice.  Everyone needs to take a good hard look at the big picture.  Question what is going on, or simply be another sheep.
 
-B
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ult

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Posted on Nov 23, 2009

Posted by bernwern
Everyone needs to take a good hard look at the big picture.  Question what is going on, or simply be another sheep.
 
I agree. And since I'm not a 'scientist', more of an engage enthusiast at best, I tend to listen when real scientists speak up....not company paid spokesmodels/mouth pieces:
 

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