What are some good pants that aren't too tight and not too baggy and are not Holden? I was thinking maybe Airblaster or Cappel? Any other suggestions? And how do Airblaster pants fit? I had the Burton AK Cyclic pants last year (baggy as sh!t and totally gey) in small and had to do in the adjustable waist thing all the way on them. Doesn't matter if they have insulation or not either.

volcom... awesome quality and high end materials... i've got two pair of their slim ergonomic fit from last season... in bigger sizes this slim fit fits baggy but has got some style to it as it narrows at the knee and flares out down at the cuff with huge zippered ghetto slits... in the smaller sizes, they'll fit nice and flarey but not super L1 tight... their regular ergonomic fit is great too if you're into a more fuller cut, just a little more room in the knee and seat... both fits are very wide/bootcut legs down at the cuff

cappel fits more like holden... pretty straight leg

Thanks, I'll look at those. Would the Airblaster pants be like that if they say the fit on them is boot-cut?

not sure how they fit... from pics and from just browsing in store, the airblasters look to be a little slimmer in the leg all the way down than the volcoms or cappels in the same sizes... i compared them by putting the cuffs up to each other... volcom def has the widest cuffs of all three... the airblasters do seem to flare more than the cappels though

Are you sure about those Volcom pants? All the stuff I read on Dogfunk said they're pretty baggy. And what I meant by not too baggy or slim is like a little slimmer than average pants. I like how the Volcom pants fit by watching Scott Stevens, but at my height (5'5''ish) they would probably just look baggy. Maybe I'll get the Airblasters. Thanks for the help.

the shape of the volcom slim is flared, it's just not as tight or narrow as say airblaster or L1 in the same sizes... you'd have to get smaller sizes... i can't comment on airblaster's quality but they do look dope... come to think of it, you can also look at L1... i personally like volcom's slim fit because it's not as super tight as the others... the dope flared shape is there, but i like a little room, so i got a bigger size.

whats wrong with holden?

Bonfire volt is a good looking pant too. They have it in stretch material too.

Its what I'm getting this year

Nothing, I actually like Holden. It's just that last year all of a sudden a bunch of punkass kids started wearing Holden pants and I don't like any of the kids, so why be like them? I bet this year they'll try to dress all gangster and Technine. And if you knew the kids you would see why I wouldn't want to be anything like them. Oh and this is to Melba, are the pants that Zac Marben is wearing in Down With People like the Volcom ones you were talking about or did he sew those?