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hall3p11

Posts : 198
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Posted on Feb 28, 2009

I'm kind of disappointed.  I expected to log in, check the politiks section and see some heated debates about Obama and his economic stimulus package.  BUT NO!!!!  nothing.  WTF!

So here's a starter for you.  The "stimulus" plan which won't actually put any money back into the economy for 2-3 years cost some 787 billion dollars.  That's most of the budget for this fiscal year.  Add to that yet another bailout for the banks (700billion?) and Obama's budget (1.7 trillion was it?) and we see some mighty big spending with (so far) no way to support it.  There has been talks of raising taxes on the rich and letting the Bush tax cuts expire which would give some money back to the government, but I don't see how Obama can half the defecit by 2013 as he said he would while spending so much money in his first month and a half in office!

This is the part where all you Politik nuts start arguing over how good of a job he's doing, or how poor.  And before I go, allow me to say that his plan to prevent forclosures isn't working so well.  There are still millions of Americans going through forclosure, courts rushing through the forclosures before the money gets to the people, oh, and the tax break for buying a new home?  Who can afford to buy a new home when we are losing jobs?  Who?  The rich!  yes... that's right.  The rich can buy new homes, get a tax break, rent out the home, buy a new car and get a tax break.

As a side note, Chuck Norris is a supporter of Ron Paul.  Ron Paul 2012 - with Chuck on his side, he can't lose!


HATER_PLAYER
"In Your Face"

Posts : 8096
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Posted on Mar 02, 2009

there's already a discussion about the stimulus plan in the "quit rewarding faliure" post.
 
also, economic decisions can sometimes take years to have any noticeable effect...kind of how the last 8 years of de-regulation of the financial industry is only just starting to have a serious effect now. the full worthiness or unworthiness of these stimuli wont be seen until at least 5 years from now....which is why you're still seeing many foreclosures.
 
Also, the government can regulate the financial industry, but in the end banks are private companies. i know for a fact that major commercial banks in canada have stopped passing on our National bank's prime interest rate cuts to consumers (our national bank is like your federal reserve). these overnight lending rate cuts are meant to put more money in the pockets of consumers, but the big banks are hoarding the profits they see from higher rates.
 
see here for more information on commercial bank interest rates vs. Fed/BoC overnight lending rates:
 
 

Central bank-set interest rates are tumbling, but interbank lending rates – the interest rates banks charge each other on borrowed money – continue to soar as financial conditions around the world deteriorate.

The three-month London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor rose 7 basis points to 4.82% Friday - its highest level since December last year. Libor stood at 2.81% one month ago. The recent surge comes despite the best efforts of world governments and central banks to quell the financial market turmoil. Central banks including the Bank of Canada and the U.S. Federal Reserve grouped together to cut their benchmark rates by half a percentage point yesterday in an unprecedented mass move.

But bank lending rates continue to surge as financial institutions hoard their cash to protect themselves from getting entangled with collapsing institutions. That makes the liquidity on the market extremely valuable and increasingly expensive.

Libor is the best guide to global interbank rates because it impacts US$360-trillion worth of financial products worldwide. It is also set on a daily basis. As a result, the world’s banks use Libor as a reference when determining their lending rates. With less cash available on the market at a higher cost, the impact is filtering down to businesses and consumers. Not only is it now harder to get a loan, but Canada’s commercial banks yesterday each decided not to pass on the full half a percentage point rate cut to consumers. (Read Thursday's story)

Banks each cut their prime lending rate by a quarter of a percentage point to 4.5%, which now sits below the 4.75% it costs them to borrow according to the Libor rate.

 
As a matter of fact, the LIBOR rate is now being questioned as a reliable benchmark interest rate:
 
 
 
 
 

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