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jaybrn5

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Posted on Feb 19, 2009

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1039849853

Best video ever.


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Posted on Feb 19, 2009

oh yeah? best ever huh? why's that?
 
these idiots talk a lot of shit about the bailouts because they're not the ones going home to a house that's worth less than was paid for it, they're not the ones who have to tell their wife and two kids that they lost their job. they're not the ones who are facing declining job prospects and inflation driving up their cost of living.
 
the entire world is hurting from this right now, and the main reason for it is "free market" morons like the guys in that video. Reaganomics, "trickle down" economic theories, tax cuts to solve inflation and recession; these are all the economic policies of the last 8 years that got us into this mess in the first place.

jaybrn5

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Posted on Feb 19, 2009

Talk shit all you want Ive actually had to file bankruptcy and am losing my own house to foreclosure and I still do not support any of these bail outs its my fault for the situation I am in not the american people, and I had to tell my wife and I have two kids as well, and all these bail outs will do is effect inflation more and cause it to go higher clearly you do not know simple economics.  If spending money was the way to a better economy we should be spending a 1 tilllion every single hour because we would make so much more back.

Trickle down economics does work you let me know when a poor person offers you a job.



[Edited by jaybrn5 on 2/19/2009 at 11:19 AM]

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jaybrn5

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Posted on Feb 19, 2009

Clearly you missed the entire point of my post and the video I do not support the bill that passed.  As that is what the video is about.

The govertment is promoting bad behavior do we really want to subsidize the losers mortgages.  This is america how many people really want to pay for your neighbors mortgage I guarantee its pretty much zero.  Considering these same people also probably have an extra bathroom there kids have ipods and more reducing there mortgage so its not over equity will not change the fact that they cannot pay nor will reducing there rate.


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Posted on Feb 20, 2009

so what's the alternative? let everyone lose their homes and then what? the welfare rolls will be choked to death, people will be committing crimes to get money, thousands of families will be broken apart, consumer confidence will plummet, and then the economy will be fucked even worse.
 
it's easy to sit on TV like a rich bourgeois douchebag and talk about the problem as if you're somehow detached from the people losing their homes, but their problem is really the entire country's problem. at this point, blaming people for not paying their mortgages isn't going to solve the problem at hand. 
 
sometimes government helping people (what a concept, huh?) is necessary to maintain the semblance of a civil society. otherwise the choices are total anarchy or a police state controlled by the very wealthy.

[Edited by HATER_PLAYER on 2/20/2009 at 10:49 AM]

SpecialKallt...
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Posted on Feb 20, 2009

blaming people for not paying their mortgages, we aren't blaming them for no reason.  It's not like they are innocent.

so, you are all for this stupid bill that spends more money the US does not have. 

this is like being 20 grand in credit card debt and saying "oh well I'll just borrow another 5 grand to pay the bills."  At some point you will have to stop boring money and the sooner you do it the better off you will be.  Do it now before we are forced to do it.  Adding another trillion to the tab is not the answer.  Enduring it now for shorter period of time than having to endure it later on for a long period would be the responsible thing to do.

if it were true that the only two options were anarchy or a police state I would take Anarchy any day.

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Posted on Feb 20, 2009

debating with you is like debating a brick wall.
 
okay then smart guy, give us an alternative to the stimulus bill! since you're such an economics whiz, you should have the world economic crisis fixed in no time!
 
why didn't obama get you for his commerce secretary again? oh right, because you're some dude in his parents' basement on a computer. my bad.

SpecialKallt...
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Posted on Feb 20, 2009

"fixed in no time" that's what's wrong with the world today.  Everyone looking for the quick fix.  It will take a long time to fix this, but I rather endure the poverty and hardship than pass it on to my children.

The US constitution does not give the American Government the right to intervene in the economy.  I agree with Ron Paul that the Federal Reserve should be abolished.  First they fuck it up, then they fix it, then they fuck it up again....

I am tired of people not being accountable for what they do because they have the government to blame.  We vote these people into office and when they fuck it all up we the public bitch and moan about it. 

If the government would stay out of it I am not saying it would work perfectly, I'm just saying that at least people would have no one to blame besides themselves. 

Fixed? Ha!  You my friend are the one that is a brick wall with your unrealistic ideals that there is a perfect solution for an imperfect world.  The world is ran by humans that have the ability to reason, but do not always use reason and rational thought.

I'm not calling to "fix" this, I am calling for people to take responsibility.  You say "oh no there will be poverty, people hungry and crime!" I say Bring it on!  The country has grown to fast and if not now later on it is going to have to take the backlash.

I am sitting in my house that I own.  I did not take out a loan that I could not afford to buy a much bigger house.  I planned ahead and made sure I would be able to afford my bills and my mortgage.  Those that decided to take out zero down mortgages and can't afford their payments can turn to a life of crime.  I pity them if they come to rob me though.

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moondusk

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Posted on Feb 20, 2009

  Did you return that measely stimulus check you got last year?
 
 
  You know the best buisiness to be in right now? Forclosures, bankrupsty lawyers, liquidation, debt collection, repossesion and so forth. Now THAT is some sad shit! For those people the economy is nice!!
 
   The thing that kills the people who get the loans and the credit cards is that loans are not realistic and don't change with your life. When you decide to buy a house or a car or get a nice credit card generally life is pretty good. What the hell happens when your not making that much money anymore? Not to many banks and such are willing to say okay we will take 200 a month insted of 500 for that car loan. And when you can't pay them anymore THEY DON"T LOSE MONEY! they take your shit auction it off and you still have to pay the difference with intrest and you still have no damn car. And if people were smart to begin with and didn't get high intrest loans the banks would still be bitching if not be bitching more because banks make bookuuu bucks off people with bad credit.
 
  The credit card companies just sell your debt who sells your debt to someone else and sells your debt. blah blah blah.......Alllllll kinds of people in buisiness are making money off your money somehow. 
 
 
 
  Just think how many people would lose thier jobs if everybody had good credit and paid all thier bills on time! lol
 
 
  Now isn't that twisted.................

tooscoops
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Posted on Feb 21, 2009

not really 100% there moon.  for example, 10 minutes ago, i just had a douchebag decide he couldn't afford the car he bought off me a year and a half ago... he had financed the amount of the car PLUS almost 10000 bucks of negative equity.  now he's claiming bankruptcy so the bank has a car worth 9000 and a loan to pay out of 23000... i'd say the bank loses there.  and i get fucked by the lender because i fought to get the idiot approved.  now they won't touch any deal i send them.
 
i'm totally with K here... i'm fed up with people not being responsible for thier own faults and fuck ups.
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SpecialKallt...
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Posted on Feb 21, 2009

Posted by moondusk
  Did you return that measely stimulus check you got last year?
 
 
  You know the best buisiness to be in right now? Forclosures, bankrupsty lawyers, liquidation, debt collection, repossesion and so forth. Now THAT is some sad shit! For those people the economy is nice!!
 
   The thing that kills the people who get the loans and the credit cards is that loans are not realistic and don't change with your life. When you decide to buy a house or a car or get a nice credit card generally life is pretty good. What the hell happens when your not making that much money anymore? Not to many banks and such are willing to say okay we will take 200 a month insted of 500 for that car loan. And when you can't pay them anymore THEY DON"T LOSE MONEY! they take your shit auction it off and you still have to pay the difference with intrest and you still have no damn car. And if people were smart to begin with and didn't get high intrest loans the banks would still be bitching if not be bitching more because banks make bookuuu bucks off people with bad credit.
 
  The credit card companies just sell your debt who sells your debt to someone else and sells your debt. blah blah blah.......Alllllll kinds of people in buisiness are making money off your money somehow. 
 
 
 
  Just think how many people would lose thier jobs if everybody had good credit and paid all thier bills on time! lol
 
 
  Now isn't that twisted.................


somewhere down the line there isn't someone else to buy that debt, I believe that's the part you glazed over with your "blah blah blah"  Someone if not your bank is getting screw in the end.

as for the 300 stimulus check I received last year. I donated that to local charities and churches, the people along with our fellow neighbors that should be in charge of social welfare.  By doing this is every community going to flourish and grow and prosper?  Hell no!  I never said I want everyone in the world to be happy and live in a perfect world.  I want to see the communities that take care of themselves proper.  Those unwilling to reach out to their neighbors and help can live in shit holes.  Reward those that are deserving.

So what happens if you are one of those people that want to help, but end up being born into one of the fucked up communities you ask? well you have a few choices

1)do nothing and your are now deserving of your surrounds by your apathy.

2)try to help out, by giving what you can.  Volunteering time if that is your only resource you can give. 

3)Move

now if you pick option one then like I said you deserve it

is option 2 and 3 fair? hell no.  welcome to life.
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lakia
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Posted on Feb 21, 2009

Posted by HATER_PLAYER
oh yeah? best ever huh? why's that?
 
these idiots talk a lot of shit about the bailouts because they're not the ones going home to a house that's worth less than was paid for it, they're not the ones who have to tell their wife and two kids that they lost their job. they're not the ones who are facing declining job prospects and inflation driving up their cost of living.
 
the entire world is hurting from this right now, and the main reason for it is "free market" morons like the guys in that video. Reaganomics, "trickle down" economic theories, tax cuts to solve inflation and recession; these are all the economic policies of the last 8 years that got us into this mess in the first place.
 
No marc it actually has nothing to do with reaganomics, trickle down, and tax cuts. It has to do with sub prime lending and the CRA.
 
The bail outs are garbage as far as the financial sector goes, they are pretty well warranted for the Big 3 IMO.
 
If you start a business, it CAN fail if you do not run it properly. By the way, i know people who are going home to a house that is worth less than they paid for it, i know people who have to tell their wives they lost their job, and I am facing declining job prospects, this cost me a set back in starting my career for at LEAST another year, so now im stuck in the fuckin bar for that long again. But hey, at least its money. You suck it up, you live with it, and you make the most out of it.
 
They've spent well over half of our annual budget bailing out there companies. Government should never have ownership in private business. Then the CEO's go out and spend half a million on a retreat once they get their money? Companies fail, thats business, and another one pops up in their place. I dont care if it is fortune 500. Shit happens. Deal with it. You run your business poorly, youre going to get poor results. And the  govt when they created the CRA, should have known it, and the financial institutions should have fought it to the death. But they all saw $$$$$$$$$$. And guess what marc, the congress and senate that put the CRA into play was Jimmy Carter, and the democratic senate and congress of that term.
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davesc2

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Posted by HATER_PLAYER
so what's the alternative? let everyone lose their homes and then what? the welfare rolls will be choked to death, people will be committing crimes to get money, thousands of families will be broken apart, consumer confidence will plummet, and then the economy will be fucked even worse.
 
it's easy to sit on TV like a rich bourgeois douchebag and talk about the problem as if you're somehow detached from the people losing their homes, but their problem is really the entire country's problem. at this point, blaming people for not paying their mortgages isn't going to solve the problem at hand. 
 
sometimes government helping people (what a concept, huh?) is necessary to maintain the semblance of a civil society. otherwise the choices are total anarchy or a police state controlled by the very wealthy.

[Edited by HATER_PLAYER on 2/20/2009 at 10:49 AM]
 
Let me ask you a question.  What will someone learn by not doing their due-diligence, not being realistic about their financial situation, letting someone sweet-talk them into a high-risk mortgage, come very close to losing their home and then having the gov't swoop in and let them keep their home....?  What did they just learn?
 
They've learned that it's ok to not do any homework on a potentially life-changing decision because if something goes wrong the gov't will come and bail them out.  But how long can the gov't keep bailing people out?  How long until the gov't has a substantial stake in everything?  What will you do then?  You'll do exactly what the gov't tells you to do....or else.  enjoy your life then!
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Posted by SpecialKalltheway
"fixed in no time" that's what's wrong with the world today.  Everyone looking for the quick fix.  It will take a long time to fix this, but I rather endure the poverty and hardship than pass it on to my children.

The US constitution does not give the American Government the right to intervene in the economy.  I agree with Ron Paul that the Federal Reserve should be abolished.  First they fuck it up, then they fix it, then they fuck it up again....

I am tired of people not being accountable for what they do because they have the government to blame.  We vote these people into office and when they fuck it all up we the public bitch and moan about it. 

If the government would stay out of it I am not saying it would work perfectly, I'm just saying that at least people would have no one to blame besides themselves. 

Fixed? Ha!  You my friend are the one that is a brick wall with your unrealistic ideals that there is a perfect solution for an imperfect world.  The world is ran by humans that have the ability to reason, but do not always use reason and rational thought.

I'm not calling to "fix" this, I am calling for people to take responsibility.  You say "oh no there will be poverty, people hungry and crime!" I say Bring it on!  The country has grown to fast and if not now later on it is going to have to take the backlash.

I am sitting in my house that I own.  I did not take out a loan that I could not afford to buy a much bigger house.  I planned ahead and made sure I would be able to afford my bills and my mortgage.  Those that decided to take out zero down mortgages and can't afford their payments can turn to a life of crime.  I pity them if they come to rob me though.

 
all i hear is a lot of gums flapping. where's your alternative to Obama's stimulus plan?
 
you ultra conservative windbag types love to spew off about what everyone else is doing wrong, let's hear some new ideas for once, instead of sniping at the other guy to take attention off of your own ineptitude.

SpecialKallt...
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Posted on Feb 23, 2009

you assume we have the same idea of what is "good" for the nation.

You like his stimulus plan b/c it will bring everyone back to the way it was before (temporarily).  I would be bitching about McCain doing it as well.  The only reason I would have liked to see McCain in office is he would have done a "worse" job(in your eyes) of "fixing" the economy.

I want to see America go into a depression.  People obviously need a reality check since they throw their cash around useless trivial things.  I think a failure of the economy will give everyone a much need kick in the pants.  Those that are already poor will stay poor and those that were rich can join them.  Make everyone equal and then those who deserve it will climb up and rise above the rest.  America's irresponsible spending and borrowing of money is going to bite it in the ass one of these days I just rather it be sooner than later.

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tooscoops
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Posted on Feb 23, 2009

really... i don't think his plan needs any real chat about it...
 
people fuck up, they fail...
 
 
don't see why anything would have to be outlined.
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Posted by tooscoops
really... i don't think his plan needs any real chat about it...
 
people fuck up, they fail...
 
 
don't see why anything would have to be outlined.


looks like you outlined it pretty well.


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tooscoops
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Posted on Feb 23, 2009

planning for every fucking failure is part of why our society is sooo shity right now...
 
how bout we stop going above and beyond trying to prevent people from hurting themselves, losing money, causing damage.... just do what we should really be responsible for... ensure that basic needs are covered.
 
sorry if that sounds communist or whatever, because thats not where i'm going with it.  i just mean that we look out for the ones who can't help themsleves.  not the ones who can't help themselves due to pure stupidity or ignorance.
 
my apologies that i don't have a better plan.
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Posted by tooscoops
how bout we stop going above and beyond trying to prevent people from hurting themselves, losing money, causing damage.... just do what we should really be responsible for... ensure that basic needs are covered.
 
sorry if that sounds communist or whatever, because thats not where i'm going with it.  i just mean that we look out for the ones who can't help themsleves.  not the ones who can't help themselves due to pure stupidity or ignorance.
 
you just basically described the stimulus plan.

tooscoops
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Posted on Feb 23, 2009

i don't mean 'not able to help themsleves' as not educated and don't feel like working at something different from what they've been doing previously.
 
 
pretty sure the stimulus package involves spending money.  basic needs... maybe we have different opinions, but i don't see broadband internet, increased aiport spending, 6 billion on new buses, 60 some odd billion on school, increasing the amount we give unemployed people, etc as basic needs.
 
 
basic needs?  food... shelter.  i'm pretty harsh when i say basic needs. 
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davesc2

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Posted on Feb 23, 2009

Posted by HATER_PLAYER
 
all i hear is a lot of gums flapping. where's your alternative to Obama's stimulus plan?
 
you ultra conservative windbag types love to spew off about what everyone else is doing wrong, let's hear some new ideas for once, instead of sniping at the other guy to take attention off of your own ineptitude.
 
let businesses that aren't succeeding fail, if it's a niche that needs to be filled....another business will take it's place.  that's how a free market works.  chances are that some of the people that worked for the old business will get jobs with the new business...experience is hard to replace.
 
let people who are overextended fail, next time they will have some incentive to do their homework before agreeing to a high-risk mortgage.  meanwhile, they can suck it up and make do.  I survived on $12,000/yr....believe me if I can do it others can do it.  it takes some creative thinking and a lot of doing without, I had some support from friends and family but not a whole lot.  remember noone is entitled to happiness, only the pursuit of it.
 
let people who don't want to work for a living live in a gymnasium filled with other like-minded people.....they'll figure out where they'd rather live and figure out how to get there pretty quick.
 
the banks are a little too different of a creature to be treated the same as everything/everyone else, they can be allowed to fail up to a point.  I'm generally against too much gov't regulation, but the banking industry seems like they need to be reined in a bit....too much weird stuff going on. 
 
and how about letting kids fail?  should we lower test standards or make students/educators/principals/school boards accountable for falling test scores?  should kids be allowed to lose at a sport in order to motivate them to become better or should we not keep score and tell everyone they're all winners? 
 
and how, exactly, has obama brought change in gov't when he has people from dubya and people from clinton in his staff/cabinet?  doesn't that go against his speech about how crazy it is it to think you can bring old school washington people to the white house and expect gov't to be run differently?  methinks obama has gone against himself a few too many times to not get lumped in with every other politician in this country, and being from illinois (the land of corruption) doesn't help his cause.
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wow, where to begin....
Posted by davesc2
let businesses that aren't succeeding fail, if it's a niche that needs to be filled....another business will take it's place.  that's how a free market works.  chances are that some of the people that worked for the old business will get jobs with the new business...experience is hard to replace.
 
and what about the millions of unemployed that will be choking the welfare rolls? do you even have any idea of how much money this will cost the government? you say that the laid-off people will get jobs eventually, but how long will that take, exactly? new businesses don't just spring up overnight.
 
let people who are overextended fail, next time they will have some incentive to do their homework before agreeing to a high-risk mortgage.  meanwhile, they can suck it up and make do.  I survived on $12,000/yr....believe me if I can do it others can do it.  it takes some creative thinking and a lot of doing without, I had some support from friends and family but not a whole lot.  remember noone is entitled to happiness, only the pursuit of it.
 
right. you try taking a family of 5 and moving into a one room apartment, see how that works for you.  families get broken up over this shit every single day, which leads to poor education for the kids, which also leads to possible crime....but hey, as long as it's not you, "LET THEM FAIL" right?
 
let people who don't want to work for a living live in a gymnasium filled with other like-minded people.....they'll figure out where they'd rather live and figure out how to get there pretty quick.
 
again, as long as it's not you, right?
 
the banks are a little too different of a creature to be treated the same as everything/everyone else, they can be allowed to fail up to a point.  I'm generally against too much gov't regulation, but the banking industry seems like they need to be reined in a bit....too much weird stuff going on. 
 
LOL typical conservative. "screw the little people, but banks get a pass". how's that been working for the country for the past 8 years, huh?
 
and how about letting kids fail?  should we lower test standards or make students/educators/principals/school boards accountable for falling test scores?  should kids be allowed to lose at a sport in order to motivate them to become better or should we not keep score and tell everyone they're all winners? 
 
this i agree with, however it has nothing to do with our discussion.
 
and how, exactly, has obama brought change in gov't when he has people from dubya and people from clinton in his staff/cabinet?  doesn't that go against his speech about how crazy it is it to think you can bring old school washington people to the white house and expect gov't to be run differently?  methinks obama has gone against himself a few too many times to not get lumped in with every other politician in this country, and being from illinois (the land of corruption) doesn't help his cause.
 
who else is he supposed to get for his cabinet at a time like this? he needs people who are experienced right now, and unfortunately he has to pick from the old washington pool. in better economic times, he could have been a bit more fresh with his choices, but i think he did the best he could with who he had to pick from.
 
besides, anyone who has had any questionable things on their record has either removed themselves from the nominations or been replaced, so what's your problem? things like this is why there are senate confirmation hearings for cabinet positions....or did you think they all sat around and slept in the senate all day?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding, not EVERYONE will be able to go in and get "free" money from the government because they fucked up. They'll still have to pay for it. They're restructuring loans, refinancing, yada yada, and you have to meet the correct criteria. So nobody is being "rewarded" for fucking up. The other part of the stimulus package is to get jobs rolling again. I don't disagree. It pisses me off that some people seem to be getting bailed out when it was there own stupid ass fault for getting a loan they should NEVER have qualified for. So it's nice to know that regulations will be set to keep this from happening again. And I truly hope the people have learned from this. Use less credit, pay off your bills and quit bein' so greedy.

For anyone who thinks trickle down works because it creates jobs, why exactly has the top 4% of the US went from having 9% of the nations money to 22% of the nations money in the last 8 years. So... did the tax cuts go into their pockets, or to job creation. Those numbers suggest in their pocket. Large companies made record profits over the last 8 years, yet middle class pay wages didn't rise in step with inflation. Trickle down works in theory, but humans (especially CEOs and higher ups) are greedy by nature. That's where trickle down fails in practice.

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Posted by slimp_dawg
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding, not EVERYONE will be able to go in and get "free" money from the government because they fucked up. They'll still have to pay for it. They're restructuring loans, refinancing, yada yada, and you have to meet the correct criteria. So nobody is being "rewarded" for fucking up. The other part of the stimulus package is to get jobs rolling again. I don't disagree. It pisses me off that some people seem to be getting bailed out when it was there own stupid ass fault for getting a loan they should NEVER have qualified for. So it's nice to know that regulations will be set to keep this from happening again. And I truly hope the people have learned from this. Use less credit, pay off your bills and quit bein' so greedy.

For anyone who thinks trickle down works because it creates jobs, why exactly has the top 4% of the US went from having 9% of the nations money to 22% of the nations money in the last 8 years. So... did the tax cuts go into their pockets, or to job creation. Those numbers suggest in their pocket. Large companies made record profits over the last 8 years, yet middle class pay wages didn't rise in step with inflation. Trickle down works in theory, but humans (especially CEOs and higher ups) are greedy by nature. That's where trickle down fails in practice.

 
so naturally the best way to solve the problem is to tax people more who make more money, and the give alot of that money back to the poor and not tax them at all......makes sense.........its nice to know if i just quit making money i can be rewarded for it, but if i try to bust my ass, i dont get to keep my money and provide for my family and live the lifestyle ive busted my ass for, i get to pay for someone else and their family too, not just my own. After all, who needs the money the make when it can go to someone else on welfare?
 
Anyhow, keep in mind the people who were getting qualified for loans they never should have been qualified for in the first place were getting qualified because of the CRA, because if the institutions did not approve the loans the govt would have fined them. And once again, i make the point, the CRA was the brain child of nobel peace prize winner Jimmy Carter, and the democratic congress and senate of that time. History is a bitch....
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