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paolosmythe
but you are assuming that those naughty people who would wish to acquire illegal weapons would remain within their neighbourhoods when getting them.
those living in 'peaceful towns' would no doubt provide 'easy pickings' for those used to a more restrictive environment.
I never assumed that the naughty people don't transverse boarders to get weapons. A vast majority of the illegal guns on the streets of New Jersey come from other states. The states decide the gun laws of this country so each state is different.
you must have miss read my friend. New Jersey is the more restrictive and more 'non-peaceful town' and Colorado is the less restrictive and more 'peaceful area.' You take someone who thinks he is hard out of New Jersey and plop him in Colorado and he would get his ass handed to him.
fewer legal guns = fewer guns available to be stolen = fewer illegal guns = fewer death / injury due to illegal guns
there is no way of telling how many guns are in the US the popular number to throw around is 200 million, which a lot say is grossly underestimated. So, we ban guns, half of those get turned in then only 100 million illegal guns exist. The cops and everyone else die by the hands of these illegal guns until they are all discovered then we live in a utopia?
if all guns were legal then there would be 0 deaths by "illegal guns" only deaths by illegal actions. To kill someone you need to know how to use your weapon of choice, doesn't matter if that is a gun, a knife, a baseball bat or a cricket bat.
it is possible for two people to stand 10 feet apart and empty both their guns and not land a single round on each other.
you are saying that having guns doesn't lower crime? Well then how does it raise it then?
see previous reply.
oh right your previous reply has the great plan of banning all guns, but no details of how that should be done. While we are at it lets cure cancer cause that's a pretty popular plan as well. It also had no hard facts that guns raise crime either.
how wonderfully racist and dismissive of you. i come from the UK and thus can only appreciate things on the basis of being from the UK? unlike most americans, i travel this planet.
I've only been to 33 countries so far, so I haven't traveled the much of the planet yet, but I'm working on it. Having lived in 3 different countries is like I have is a little different than having spent a few weeks in one though. being a world traveler does not make you and expert on the world. It does however give you different perspectives. Obviously where I have gone(and lived) and you have gone gave you and I different perspectives.
you might consider the concept of a gun ban to be impossible; but i think it is far more likely to be realized than asking all gun owners to never use them unless absolutely necessary. or to ensure that such things do not end up in the hands of bad lads. proof for this, lies in your nation's statistics when compared to the rest of the world.
cue your suggesting that a gun ban would make criminals of otherwise law abiding citizens / all illegal guns are smuggled into the country.......
I wasn't suggesting we ask them nicely to not use their weapons in a malicious manner or for illegal purposes. I am all for locking someone up for 5 to 10 years just for threatening someone with a firearm
that is not what i am saying. but those who own a firearm on the basis of personal and / or home protection most certainly do!
I own my guns for these 4 reasons in this order
1)recreation
2)hunting
3)self protection(I figure hey I already have them, so if I have to I can use them.)
4)stopping the US gov't or any other gov't from taking the country by force.
the first two are the real reason I like having them, the last two are just cause I already happen to have them.
the primary use of a motor vehicle is not to threaten death or injury on another person.
if such an effort was made, then the driver would be arrested.
meanwhile, the purpose of a firearm is precisely that.
this little tit bit of fact is what renders your comparison facetious.
the primary use of a gun is not to threaten death or injury on another person. Here lays our main problem, your warped sense of what a gun is, is also shared by some sick individuals that would actually use it in this way. Education and helping people realize how to be responsible would be a better solution than demonizing guns.
meanwhile your death by cop per capita investigation is of significance for why?
it was in response about something you said about gun deaths and cops, I'm to lazy to go back a reread the context it was in right now.
This anti-gun agenda you push is based on this one idea that people shouldn't die just so other people can enjoy themselves. Screw all the people that treat their guns with respect and do not use them in heinous ways because they don't matter. Then you throw out my comparison to the automobile because its primary mode is transportation. So, as long as it gets you form point A to point B then it is excusable for many to die so others can have the convenience of easier travel. We could to safe modes of transportation, but screw all those people that are dying we like to get there fast!
How about skydiving, many people do that each year and survive and say it's a grand old time, but sometimes people die. Well it doesn't serve any purpose besides entertainment though. So we should ban that cause people die doing it every one and a while.
If you are so quick to stomp on the rights of law abiding citizens then where do you go next after guns? You going to go on a full out war against kitchen knives. people are killed every year by a common house hold kitchen knife. No more cooking at home, because some people use those knives improperly!!!!!!
Ok so people love cooking to much so we'll never get rid of that, plus they gotta eat too.
Let's get rid of any and all martial arts training, they use weapons and they also learn how to hurt people. There is no reason to take martial arts besides learning how to cause death or harm of another person. Sure, there are way more people that do it for recreation and to keep in shape than those that use it for illegal purposes, but fuck those people. We can't have anyone doing it!
[Edited by SpecialKalltheway on 2/3/2009 at 10:42 AM]
