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Nivosity

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

I have been slowly progressing my rail ability after my first miserable attempts 2 years ago(broken wrist that year on this...). Here's my dilemma, this is also what caused my broken wrist and snapped binding.
 
I sware no matter what I do 1 out of 2 rails I slide right off the side(either left or right) and don't make it to the end. I can't seem to figure out how to adjust direction while on one. If I line up right I make it straight across but it seems even the slightest inconsistency and I'm off the side. Normally I just ride off but on one( an arch rail) I broke my wrist and snapped by binding right in half when I first started rails seriously 2 years ago. I made it to the peak and went right off the right side, the tip of my board hooked the rail and my foot just snapped the binding and I broke my wrist trying to catch myself.
 
Wonder if anyone else experienced this and how did they overcome it?
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danlovesmtsnow

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

usually its either your angle of approach is to direct and if it is, you dont adjust your board to hit the rail (like some people it looks like they hit the side of it and and go on and get their balance)

or

your balance is not right on like frontboards and stuff like that, this is the problem i had at first w/ frontboards, the kid i rode w/ told me it was just my weight and to lean on my foot more, problem solved after a couple times

if its just a rail that you can ride on and you cant make it, then you're not riding on straight, if its like this, try on a box and ride closer to the edge or a small box the size of a rail

im sure u learned not to put your wrists down to catch yourself tho, i always try and fall on my back if i fall, lol




Nivosity

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

lol i know not to put my wrists down from breaking my arm at least 2 other times but when your hanging with your board caught on the edge of an arch rail you forget all normal logic.
 
i have superb balance so i know its not that, normally even when i go off I am still in control, but sliding right off the side.
 
so your saying in the beginning to not go at it straight? i've been trying to hit it as straight as possible...
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MelbaToasted

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

go faster (within control)... but the slower you go, the more balance you need to use and the harder it is to stay balanced on the box/rail... i've only seen one other person actual get caught up in the middle of a rail like that and have his board hang off, and he was going super slow... he ended up falling off a battleship at the top of it onto his wrist and compound fracturing his forearm because he lost enough speed to continue all the way through...
 
usually when you take a box/rail with a little more speed and you fall, you fall away from the feature... your falling on top of the box/rail and actually not having enough momentum that you stop in the middle and get caught up on the box/rail to the point where you're hanging off it, makes me suspect that you were going super slow... take more speed into it, get low, and focus on the end of that box/rail and you'll stop tracking off the side... SPEED SPEED SPEED!
 
 



[Edited by MelbaToasted on 11/17/2008 at 2:38 PM]
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4realboarding

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

agreed, if you go a little faster you should be in more balance control when you hit the rail. and if you keep falling off the rail like you say, try and bend more at the knees and shift your weight around more. you're just tracking off the rail.

danlovesmtsnow

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

Posted by Nivosity
lol i know not to put my wrists down from breaking my arm at least 2 other times but when your hanging with your board caught on the edge of an arch rail you forget all normal logic.
 
i have superb balance so i know its not that, normally even when i go off I am still in control, but sliding right off the side.
 
so your saying in the beginning to not go at it straight? i've been trying to hit it as straight as possible...



no, i meant maybe ur taking to much of a direct angle at it from the side, like on an urban rail where u have to jump on from the side, if its roll on and your falling off, the other kids above me are right w/ speed

Nivosity

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

Sounds like this year will balls to the wall :) I'll try to add a dash of speed, where do you guys say screw the speed checks and just hit it? I try to stop speed checking at least 15ftish away and just go.
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danlovesmtsnow

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

depends on the rail, what trick im gonna do, degree of slope the rail is on, sometimes i dont speed check at all, sometimes if its a small box and i wanna spin it, ill check like 5 -10 ft almost to a complete stop before

if its like a 15 ft flat rail, checkin like 15 ft away is prolly fine to 50-50 it

if you speed check 15 ft away tho on say a battlebox your gonna get stuck

[Edited by danlovesmtsnow on 11/17/2008 at 3:43 PM]

4realboarding

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

agreed. it really depends on a lot to determine a speed. i always just say, go a little faster than you think you should. key word being little... remember tho, faster you go the harder you fall.

Extremo

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

Your first mistake is sliding rails before you learn boxes.  Get on a flat box and learn back and front boardslides, both regular and fakie out.  A box will get you more comfortable with speed and the feeling of sliding on something other than snow.  Now dont be a goon.
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Nivosity

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

I have no problem with boxes because I can't slide off of them. I never really go straight across I always tend to go towards the right or the left because I can't make adjustments. Can do a 180 slides across em no problem.
[Edited by Nivosity on 11/17/2008 at 4:58 PM]
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danlovesmtsnow

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

Posted by Nivosity
I have no problem with boxes because I can't slide off of them. I never really go straight across I always tend to go towards the right or the left, but because they are so wide I am fine. Can do a 180 slides across em no problem.
[Edited by Nivosity on 11/17/2008 at 4:19 PM]


you have to learn to ride straight on them, thats the only way you're gonna be able to ride a rail since its so narrow

just find like a ft wide box and practice riding straight on it, then learn boardslides, frontboards, etc like the kid said above....i thought u already could ride boxes straight, you must be not riding on straight then if you cant slide boxes straight

Nivosity

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Posted on Nov 17, 2008

I mean I go straight, and can go straight on a box, but I can't adjust..
 
It's more that adjusting mid rail is my problem I guess. Like if I am on a rail or box and happen to not be spot on straight there's no saving it for me. I see other guys on rails that are almost off their nose and bring it right back to the tail or something. I'm comfortable going across something like a box or 1ft wide rail thats not horribly long straight on. But if either its a long rail or something a little more technical if there is a need for adjustment I just can't figure it out.
 
Maybe it would help if I say we aren't talking about the complete noob park. I guess I forgot to say I have no problem with anything in them really. But say I go to the "intermediate rails" that have something like a flat to downward kink. When I peak the flat and go down on the kink I never stay straight. Or even just a really long flat rail over time I just don't keep going straight.
 
 
I don't even know how to explain it I guess... I'll have to take some videos at the beginning of the season I spose.
 

[Edited by Nivosity on 11/17/2008 at 4:59 PM]
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Scorer099

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Posted on Nov 19, 2008

Your body follows your head. Keep focused on the end of the rail and carry a little more speed.

SnowProfessor

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Posted on Nov 19, 2008

Try a couple things:
1. Keep your arms at your sides on the rail. On a rail, your body will often go where your front hand points. Keep your head and front hand pointed at the end of the box. If you can't keep them down, try grabbing your pants when you go over the rail.
 
2. Don't make any turns 10 feet above the rail. Turning too much up the take-off can make you off balance going onto the rail. Set up early...then just let it happen.
 
3. Don't fight to stay on the rail if you are falling off. Just hop off and ride away if you are dropping to one side. I've seen lots of kids get hurt when they try to stay on.
 
4. More speed-- totally agree with the other posts. It's like riding a bike going slow...much harder to balance than going fast.
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M-C

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Posted on Nov 23, 2008

pop onto it and dont 5050. you landed the rail.
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anti-bling

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Posted on Nov 25, 2008

On trick that works for a lot of people is just to visualze yourself riding to the end.  When you popping on, don't concentrate on the rail as much as aim for the end of it.
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Extremo

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Posted on Nov 26, 2008

If you're going straight at the box and straight onto the box but not going straight on the box then your box may be crooked.   It happens...park staff aren't geniuses
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windonfire

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Posted on Nov 26, 2008

I think maybe what you are looking for is that when you begin to slide off (assuming you are board sliding) is to bend the knee that is still over the rail and to shift your center of gravity over that knee

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