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BromwellStaff

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Posted on Feb 11, 2008

I am working with a small group trying to finalize funding to take twenty two kids from disadvantaged backrounds for a three day trip to a local resort. In preparing the kids for the trip , we had an open forum for parents to inform them of the opportunity. To our surprise, we heard a few things from parents that we did not expect. Some parents questioned the practical nature of their kids engaging in outdoor sport. There were parents of colour, south east asians and native parents who suggested that snowboarding, like skiing, was not an 'inclusive sport'; that is was for the rich and as such, their kids going on a sport weekend will be of no use to them. This seems a valid concern for those who are part of the working poor class. So what arguments beyond the usual (health, fitness, opportunity to visit another community, culture, etc) can we offer? If there are any other educators, youth workers, laiety, etc who have some ideas that would be most helpful. As visible representation is also a problem, if anyone can suggest a company that might have people of diverse backgrounds on their roster/team or perhaps some articles that might be directed to those living in economically challenged or low income urban areas. Race and economics aside, we just want the kids to have a great time. Any help would be warmly received. Thank you for your time.

ult

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Posted on Feb 11, 2008

I know Aspen hosts an all black ski meet every year. There's a few "race" based ski clubs out there if you're looking for 'role models'. Beyond that...I'd love to see our recreational dollars going to skiing and making it more affordable for everyone (Because it IS a rich person sport at this point), rather then basketball courts, pools, soccer fields.  Not to mention rather then bombing people as well...but I'm not trying to start a political flame war.

olerubbertoe

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Posted on Feb 11, 2008

I think it is about choices.  A lot of our young people do not realize that living in poverty is their choice.  They have not been shown that oppurtunity exist for everyone and it is their decision to take advantage of the oppurtunity.  I volunteered for a program called choices in which we talked to 9th graders and tried, often successfully, to explain to them their future was in their hands.  Showing them something different than they are accustom to may awaken them to an outside world that they are unaware exist.  We gave awards  at the end of the school year to the students that made the greatest change after our program.  The greatest cheers of the day were for the Choices Awards.  We even had young gangsters excel academically afterwards.   I say go for it.

ult

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Posted on Feb 11, 2008

Yes...people make individual choices that affect their lives...but you can't discount nurture as well. I lived *very* close to a ghetto in Philly for years...went to high school in a pretty much all black high school, etc...and beleive me...you can talk about making the right choices, etc all day until you're blue in the face...but when you're only given two things to choose from...and they're both bad...it's hard to make the 'right' choice....if you follow my analogy.
 
Most people are basically good and want to do good. And that's hard to do when you're surrounded by worse and the only other option is simply just 'bad'...and because it's compared to 'worse'...it comes off as 'good'.
 
If that makes any sense at all.

olerubbertoe

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Posted on Feb 11, 2008

 


[Edited by olerubbertoe on 2/11/2008 at 6:50 PM]

Latinarider

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Posted on Feb 11, 2008

You should check out Burton's Chill program.  It is designed for inner-city kids and giving the children a chance to try something different.  The program is a success and might be able to help you with some ideas.  Good luck!!  :)

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Posted on Feb 12, 2008

Eh Chills ok if Burton can find a way to benefit from it publicly.  Anyways check out the snowboard out reach society believe the website is www.sos.org
 
Tell them this, do you want your kids to try new things or do you want them to be hindered by everything around them.  I know kids that snowboarding changed there life, also point out Marc Frank Montoya that kid wasn't exactly rich by any means growing up but look at him now multimillionaire.
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SpecialKallt...
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Posted on Feb 12, 2008

They say b/c it is a sport for the rich that they will have no use for it.  How about it being a motivating factor in their lives.  If it's something they like to do then they will strive to become rich and able to do it.  My parents raised me with lobster dinners and some of the best toys and then just straight up cut me loose one day with no help.  I still enjoy the fine things in life and I work my ass off to do so.  My parents put the taste of the good life in my mouth at a young age and then sent me out to go find it on my own. 
 
If the parents don't want their kids to excel that's fine with me, the world still needs people to clean toilets and work the lifts.  You don't have to be rich to be happy.
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wrathfuldeity

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Posted on Feb 12, 2008

Around the Baker area, the school districts team up with Baker and do the "Winter Ride" program (been going for alot of years...20+), which volunteer school staff coordinate with the school buses departments and get kids 6th grade through 12th to sign up to go up 8 consecutive Saturdays in Jan, Feb and some of March (due to cancelation because of poor weather).  And Baker coordinates the program on the hill with lessons, rentals, breakfast snacks and safety.  Its still abit pricey, kids need to buy a season's pass $180-400? depending on age and the 8 bus trips were $125, rentals $125? and lessons $145? or walk-on rides for $20?  Baker website has the specifics (http://www.mtbaker.us/wr_main.php).
 
I'm a 3rd year chaperone for the program, and kids really learn alot of things about responsibility, safety, self esteem, self confidence and stuff.  I often thought somebody should submit a grant to piggyback on the program for kids that may not be able to afford or have the opportunity to participate.  I see alot of kids get up there and have a great experience and it then becomes a carrot for further sucess.  For example, my 13 yr old daughter (a sb dogg...will probably get 40+ days this year) has earned money for the past 3 yrs to buy her own season's pass and our agreement is if she is getting the grades (A's and B's) she gets to do the Winter Ride (plus skip school for opening and closing day), however she has to have her homework, chores and stuff done by Friday night to go on Saturday. 

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Killclimbz
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Posted on Feb 12, 2008

What grade level are your students in?  There is the 5th Grade pass from Colorado Ski country.  It's good for 3 free lift tickets to each of the ski areas in Colorado and it's free.  All Colorado Resorts are included.  The 6th Grade pass does the same but you have to pay a small fee for that one.  Doesn't really cover everything but it could cut some costs for you.
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slimp_dawg

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Posted on Feb 13, 2008

It doesn't sound like it's a problem of getting a program together to bring these kids to the mountain. The resources are out there... this sounds more like a problem with the parents. The kids would probably love the chance, but you're dealing with low income families which live a different culture and see snowboarding and skiing as recreational at a large expense and not as an investment in the child's future. This sport, in their eyes, is unattainable, so why even expose their kids to it.  I think you're going to have a hard time convincing those parents that this is good for the kids as something new and exciting and another outlet for them to express themselves. Just keep talking with those parents and have the kids talk with their parents. Maybe they'll come around.
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BromwellStaff

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Posted on Feb 21, 2008

I did hear something about an initiative to introduce more Hispanic-American children living in the Greater Denver area to the sport.

Can anyone comment on this?

Your comments thus far have been helpful.  But attitudes suggesting that kids should just accept the status quo and be content with cleaning lavatories or working chair lifts.....

Diversity is wide spread and I realize that while 'inner city' or the new definition of 'urban' implies Black, this is not the case in Canada.  We are trying to help all sorts of kids, primarily the children of recent immigrants who find it hard enough to make rent and speak the language.  Winter sports can be  tough sell to this group.  But we are trying.

I didn't ask this earlier but are there any members of this forum who are  'riders of colour'?  If so, I would be interested in hearing about your early experiences on piste.  (You can always send a private email.)


wrathfuldeity

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Posted on Feb 21, 2008

 'riders of colour' lol...hey I'm a bananna (immigrated from Korea to Nebraska and migrated to PNW and currently having a hella midlife crisis on a snowboard and loving it)...Ale and several others here can testify to that...my early experiences on piste....well on my a$$ most of the time.

thesnowghost

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Posted on Feb 29, 2008

 
Contact SOS ( Snowboard outreach society)  in Vail at http://www.sosoutreach.org/  - Hope it helps - "ghost"
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flinchagains...

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Posted on Feb 29, 2008

Is is possible for you to find a way to organize regular ski excursions for the students during the winter as well as the three-day trip? Say once every two weeks or so, that way the kids will be able to partake on a regular basis instead of just having the opportunity to go once, discover they really like it and then be disappointed because they can't afford to go again on their own (I'm guessing this is what the parents are concerned about). I'm sure you can find a resort that is willing to support the idea and provide a discount as it benefits them because these kids may become paying customers if they continue to ski/snowboard outside of the school program. If a kid is really dedicated they'll get a job to pay for the hobby themselves!
 
I would try Dagmar, it's already a fairly inexpensive place to go and with a group/student discount I think it would definitely be affordable to these kids.
 
 
 


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eanx32

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Posted on Apr 03, 2008

First off, where are you located? Second, forget Burton. My wife is also a teacher and tried setting something up with them(Chill Program) to no avail. We basically grabbed the 5 best students from the fifth grade(school she teaches at) very low income area, and took them up. The principal/school wanted nothing to do with it because of the liability issues, so we talk to parents, paid for lift passes, rentals, and lodging. Parents gave the kids some $$ for food etc. All of the teachers that went provided the transportation. When parents question it, we told them "that that is exactly the reason to expose them to it".
   If we don't want our kids being exposed to the "Rich/Wealthy Lifestyle" then I guess we are all raising kids that will never amount to much. You have to know what your goals are to aim for them.
  We are all still trying to put a real program together but it isn't easy. I guess you have to be a politician to put together a $3,000,000 program for "underprivileged" kids to play golf(another "rich man's" sport).
  E-mail me and I'll forward it to my wife. She can give you some more info.
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Killclimbz
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Posted on Apr 03, 2008

Dude, very very kewl of you to do that with just 5 kids.  Way to make a difference, my hat's off to you.
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wrathfuldeity

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Posted on Apr 03, 2008

just a couple of thoughts.
 
some places might give discounted lessons and ect at the very beginning of the season inorder to get their staff up to speed...meaning their rental, instructors and perhaps cook staff.
 
second, with school stuff...a trip to the mtn. to study geology, hydrology, environmental sciences and etc., maybe get some collaboration from ag extention, or climatology, or education department at a university.  At WSU in Pullman, during the summers they had the "National Youth Sports Program"  which low income kids would stay a week in the dorms and the do some sports and science things.

eanx32

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Posted on May 07, 2008

Posted by Killclimbz
Dude, very very kewl of you to do that with just 5 kids.  Way to make a difference, my hat's off to you.
 Thanx.
 We're already setting up next years. That one weekend I got out this season(blizzard from hell) was the one with all the kids. Last season I didn't make it cuz of work. We're hoping to make it something better but it's an uphill battle. Just yesterday one of the kids came by and asked me when we were going up again.
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matbo

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Posted on May 07, 2008

BromwellStaff, You didn't mention at what age group you are working with, there are many reasons that they wouldn't want thier kids to get this experence, some real some not. If it's younger children, then as a parent it isn't easy to say sorry no money, to your kid that really inspires to do something, it only reminds them of thier  state. But as mentioned, to the child it may open thier eyes to a whole different world and inspire them on to aim higher. As to the comment on needing the lower income jobs, don't get in a tiffy about it, use it as an example of how a young person can get a job in a resort area and work and board at the same time.
[Edited by matbo on 07/05/2008 at 6:37 AM]

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